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Bible vs Quran

Bible vs Quran
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The Bible
The bible that the Christians believe to be the word of god is partly true. the bible that the Christians follow today is not the Injil that we Muslims believe that Jesus received from Allah as it has many errors.
If the Bible even had one mistake in it.It would not be the word of God
Since all these different versions of Bibles on the earth today do not agree with each other - does this mean, that they are accusing each other of being "suspect of corruption"?

The preface to one of the most accurately translated Bibles (Revised Standard Version) says on the second page, "Yet, the King James Version has grave defects." - That is definitely accusation of being "suspect of corruption."

The Catholic Bible (based on the Latin Vulgate of the fourth century) has 73 books, while the Protestant Bible (one thousand years later) only has 66 books. One of them (or both?) is obviously corrupt. Which one? The new one (66 books)? Or the old one (73 books)?

The scholars of the Old Testament state very clear in all of their works, they no longer have the original documents penned by any prophet, (peace be upon them all). So the scholars of Old Testament claim they do not have the exact texts and they also state clearly there many are different versions. Does this mean they are accusing the Old Testament of being "suspect and it should not be accepted as authentic testimony"?

Scholars of New Testament state without doubt, they do not possess the actual texts of any of Jesus' (peace be upon him) companions - and no one has ever claimed to have anything written by Jesus or even anything recited by him. Does this not indicate "suspect and it should not be accepted as authentic testimony"?

How can you say that today’s Bible is from God, if it has old version then, new version, and then this version and that version from man himself after every some years.
If today’s Bible from man himself containing some of the original teachings or words of God.
Should we follow it?

In our daily life we insist on pure and quality products but on the other hand the thing on which your whole life and hereafter is based, you are ready to compromise. How can u do this to you.

The Quran
The Quran has no version it is one and only, it is still in its original (Arabic) language
: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). 015.009

Quran Challanges Readers
“And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Surrah Like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot –And of a surely you cannot. Then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones – Which is prepared for those who reject Faith.”
(Al-Qur’an 2:23-24)

"If the Mankind and the Jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."
(Qur'an 17:88)

“They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.”

“As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.”

“Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).



Ever since the Qur'an was revealed, fourteen centuries ago, no one has been able to produce a single chapter like the chapters of the Qur'an in their beauty, eloquence, splendor, wise legislation, true information, true prophecy, and other perfect attributes.

Also, note that the smallest chapter in the Qur'an (Chapter 108) is only ten words, yet no one has ever been able to meet this challenge, then or today. Some of the disbelieving Arabs who were enemies of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) tried to meet this challenge to prove that Muhammad (PBUH) was not a true prophet, but they failed to do so.

Thus, the Qur’an is the main source of the Islamic faith and is of a completely Divine origin. It contains guidance for all mankind. And since the message of the Qur’an is for all times, it is relevant to all ages.

It is not a usual thing. It never ever happened in history of mankind.
No man on the face of earth could claim that I give u the document which will not change a bit after 100 years, or 500 years, or 1000 years, or even after 1500 years and, moreover everyone in the whole world is allowed to read it, or everyone has fully right to have it.
It Is crystal clear Quran is protected by God


Conclusion: Both the Bible and the Quran have come to us by way of Almighty God, then through His angel Gabriel and then to the prophets, peace be upon them. However, when the next step comes into play (that of the human beings faithfully transmitting it on to others and future generations) we find out that Allah has only perserved His Last and Final Revelation for all times. And He certainly did not need the humans to do that.

You know the Old Testament and the New Testament but know you should follow the final testament which is the holy Quran.
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I totally agree that we should follow the final divine book : the Holy Qoran .
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The Bible and the true Gospel...

Shah wrote:

The Bible
The bible that the Christians believe to be the word of god is partly true. the bible that the Christians follow today is not the Injil that we Muslims believe that Jesus received from Allah as it has many errors.
If the Bible even had one mistake in it.It would not be the word of God
Since all these different versions of Bibles on the earth today do not agree with each other - does this mean, that they are accusing each other of being "suspect of corruption"?

My reply:

You know my friend, I noticed that when you write you do not always capitalize Bible and God. I think out of respect you could do that as a gesture of respect because many believe the Bible is inspired by God and if you want dialogue respect is a good place to start even if you may not agree....

To me the various versions of the Bible are attempts to translate the Hebrew and Koine Greek for people today who do not know these ancient languages and who are unfamiliar with the way of life and history of the Bible.

You do know that there are also now many versions and translations of the Qur'an for English speaking people because they do not know the nuances of Arabic or understand the language.

Now Shah you made an interesting statement:

"If the Bible even had one mistake in it.It would not be the word of God"

I do not know but suspect that anyone with some historical knowledge might claim there were "mistakes" made in the Bible using what modern scholars have discovered or concluded..and there are some people with some knowledge of modern science that could claim the Bible is not that scientific, but I would suggest the Bible is not a history text or a scientific text, but it's primary message is spiritual and a record over a thousand years or so of Divine Revelation.

On another thread I posted that the Gospel I believe contains the teachings of Jesus and that when the Qur'an mentions the Gospel in appealing to People of the Book or Christians it means the Gospel of Jesus, the good News of His teachings... True, interpretations and doctrines of various churches vary but I would suggest the Gospel of Jesus is contained in the Gospels available to us. God in His mercy would not permit I think that the Gospel would be lost to humanity.

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You know the Old Testament and the New Testament but know you should follow the final testament which is the holy Quran
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In other words, you guys are complaining that the Bible has been transcribed meticulously and translated according to the most advanced scholarship, whereas the Quran exists only in one line of manuscripts that is likely controlled by an Islamic state. Not a very convincing argument, if you ask me.
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The Quran has no version it is one and only, it is still in its original (Arabic) language"

Is that fair for the people that want to learn about God`s word? Special when the Muslims say that the Bible is corrupt and quran say that we shall go to the Tawrat, Zaboor and Injeel.In old time was that same thing for the Bible Was only allowed to be written in Latin.The general people must then trust on priest what is said in the Bible.
My thought are that God want us all to understand and read his word.If that was so wrong to translate his word (the Bible) he should tell us that.
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I think I have find a good website that talk about the Bible and Quran.One of the thing the website say is


"B. VERSES SHOWING THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS WERE LIVING DURING THE PERIOD BETWEEN JESUS AND MUHAMMAD
B1. The Table (Al-Ma'ida) 5:113-114, 10 AH.

"Then will God say, `O Jesus son of Mary! Recount my favor to you... Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel... "And behold! I inspired the disciples (al-hawariyun) to have faith in Me and My apostle (Jesus). They said (to Jesus), `We have faith and (you must) bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted ones)."
B2. The Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:52-53, 2-3 AH.
"When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said, `Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?' The disciples said, `We are God's helpers. We believe in God and (you must) bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted ones). "`Our Lord we believe in what You have revealed and we follow the apostle (Jesus).'"
B3. The Battle Array (Al-Saff) 61:14, 3 AH.
"O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of God: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the disciples, `Who will be my helpers for God?' The Disciples said, `We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: but We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed."
B4. Iron (Al-Hadid) 57:26-27, from 8 AH.

"And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their descendants prophecy and the Book: and some of them are rightly guided, but many are rebellious. "Then We sent after them our apostles and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy; and monasticism, they invented it. We did not command it...yet We bestowed on those among them who believed, their due reward, but many of them are rebellious." cp. 5:85.
We learn from this verse that although monasticism is not of God, there were true believers among these followers of Jesus who received their "due reward" (in heaven).
Historically, monasticism started in the 4th century, although certain men, such as Paul of Thebes, lived a separate life as hermits in the third century. St. Anthony of Egypt was the first to organize even a loose group in 305 AD, and in the Sinai, too, monasticism began about the same time.
B5. The Cave (Al-Kahf) 18:10,25, Meccan.

"Behold, the youths betook themselves to the Cave. They said, `Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Yourself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way'... " So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)..."
Yusuf Ali, in several notes to his translation of the Qur'an, refers this to 7 young Christian men of Ephesus who, while fleeing from persecution, hid in a cave and did not wake up for 300 yrs. He discusses various dates which terminate between 440 and 450 AD, and says that the Khalifa Wathiq (842-846 AD) sent an expedition to examine and identify the locality. Hamidullah mentions this possibility, but thinks that the passage refers to a time well before Christianity. However, Toufiq Al-Hakim in his play Ahel Al-Kahf describes them clearly as Christians.
B6. The Zodiacal Signs (Al-Buruj) 85:4-9, Early Meccan.
"Woe to the makers of the pit (of fire), fire supplied with fuel, Behold, they sat over against the (fire), and they witnessed (all) that they were doing against the believers. And they ill-treated them for no other reason than that they believed in God..."
Hamidullah, in the notes to his translation, refers this to a Jewish King of Yemen, Dhou Nuwas, who during the 6th century persecuted the Christians, burning alive those who didn't want to become Jews. The Khalifa Omar built a large Mosque in Yemen to honor these Christians. Yusuf Ali also mentions it as one of three possible explanations.
The first three references clearly refer to Jesus' followers as being "inspired" by God to follow the Messiah [B1], choosing to be "God's helpers" [B2.B3], and "becoming the ones who prevailed" [B3]. In addition some true believers remained even when monasticism was practiced [B4] starting in the 4th century in Egypt.
If references [B5] and [B6] were understood by Muhammad and the people of Mecca in their historical context to refer to Christians, then these are Quranic attestations that there were true Christians, acceptable to God, in Ephesus (Modern Turkey) in 450 AD; and in Yemen in the 6th Century when these Christian Martyrs were burned alive. Admittedly the verses say nothing about the doctrines of these Christians. But true believers in groups as far apart as Turkey and Yemen would surely have left copies of their scriptures and writings -- some of which would have come down to us. If their scriptures had been different from the Torah and the Gospel which we know today, then we would certainly have found their traces."
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quran say that we shall go to the Tawrat, Zaboor and Injeel.
Based on my limited understanding & knowledge.

If you have (Tawrat, Zaboor and Injeel) then by all mean go to the tawrat, Zaboor and Injeel but if you have portions of it then I would like to recommend to ponder that God always sent His Messenger one after another untill He sealed the Prophethood to keep people on the Right Path.
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Christianity spread through Europe, where peoples living in relative close proximity still spoke a variety of languages. What was the alternative besides translating the Hebrew and Greek?

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In other words, you guys are complaining that the Bible has been transcribed meticulously and translated according to the most advanced scholarship, whereas the Quran exists only in one line of manuscripts that is likely controlled by an Islamic state. Not a very convincing argument, if you ask me.


I would agree.

I have many versions of the Bible. I like them all for different reasons. The KJV uses the word fleshpots. The NRSV uses pots of meat. I'd like to know how those minor differences invalidate anything.
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