If you want me to post exclusively on the Attn: Annabel Lee thread, possibly my posts are acceptible there. Everyone who posts there seems far less sensitive.
Hey 9,
Did I read that post correctly (sometimes my middleaged eyes fail me)?
Was that an apology?
__________________ *************************************************** Macedonia Missionary Baptist Church of Carraway, Florida. Established 1916.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
heh! it is in the Motion Picture, when Spock mind-melds with the voyager probe (v'ger)
I've read a book that implied that with the joining of Becker to Ilea(?) v'ger (having been made up after an encounter with the race of machines) was the beginnings of the Borg race. Do you remember the question McCoy asked when the joining occured?
__________________ *************************************************** Macedonia Missionary Baptist Church of Carraway, Florida. Established 1916.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
The old story is as follows:
Enoch 7 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’ And Samyaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear you will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then they all swore together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. ....
Ok I am totally confused...first my bible has no book of Enoch...yes he was a person in the bible...but no book on him...second how does this train of thought go from giants (being from fallen angels) to a baby born now with a tail??? I don't see how you made this leap from one to another??
I still don't agree that the sons of God were fallen angels either.. cause it says they 'defiled' themselves with daughters of men...well my understanding of fallen angel is they were BAD and thrown out of Heaven in the first place....so how could they be defiled? they were demons? Can a demon defile itselfs? I don't get this line of thinking from what you are posting at all.
I understand the star trek conversation much better actually...
Location: Deck Six, Cargo Bay Two; apply to Annabel Lee to learn my precise coordinates.
Posts: 9,166
Blessings: 34,854
Reps: 41,540 (power: 58)
Originally Posted by Palatka44
Hey 9,
Did I read that post correctly (sometimes my middleaged eyes fail me)?
Was that an apology?
I did not mean any offence by my remarks, so I have apologised, yes, although I don't comprehend how it is possible to avoid accidentally ruffling a few feathers in a debate thread.
We were discussing how, unbeknownst to the believer, some beliefs may have their roots in science fiction and believers may enjoy the excitement of such themes, just as we lovers of science fiction do; on the whole, we lead dull lives.
Had the posts remained, I would have gone on to point out that, although the purpose of science fiction is not one of predicting technological advances, nevertheless it often does and many people besides jhessel are worried about some recent technological advances, albeit less extremely so. If you strip Mr. Quale's prediction of doom of its more supernatural elements, I do not find his scenario either ridiculous or impossible; only highly unlikely.
I have been told to back up my opinions with facts which prove them, but, for several reasons, I am a slow typist and request that some interest be shown before I attempt such a lengthy post. In addition, I do not wish to bore others needlessly.
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing."~Elbert Hubbard
_______________________
"Between impulse and action there is a realm of good taste begging for your acquaintance."~Voyager's Holographic Doctor
_______________________
"I do not understand their humor, either."~Lt. Commander Worf
_______________________
Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam, K'Ehleyr!
Last edited by Plan 9; 26th August 2003 at 06:25 PM.
Ok I am totally confused...first my bible has no book of Enoch...yes he was a person in the bible...but no book on him...second how does this train of thought go from giants (being from fallen angels) to a baby born now with a tail??? I don't see how you made this leap from one to another??
I still don't agree that the sons of God were fallen angels either.. cause it says they 'defiled' themselves with daughters of men...well my understanding of fallen angel is they were BAD and thrown out of Heaven in the first place....so how could they be defiled? they were demons? Can a demon defile itselfs? I don't get this line of thinking from what you are posting at all.
The story can also be found in the books of Jasher, Jubilees, and the recently-found Dead Sea Scroll, the Book of Giants. Angels have bodies. They can take a variety of forms, as well ("for Satan can appear even as an angel of light," etc.). There were two angelic rebellions, the first being the Luciferian rebellion that most are familiar with; this is the source of what Paul calls, in the sixth chapter of Ephesians, "Spirit wickedness in high places." This is why Jesus calls Satan "the prince of the powers of the air."
UFO researchers, take notice. The second rebellion came much, much later, and is well known in Hebrew esoteric tradition. In fact, much of this knowledge is still intact in the Hebrew tradition. Many books which were originally in the Bible--the books of Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees, and so on--contain the whole story of the fallen angels who rebelled in order to mate with human women. These beings were called the NEPHILIM, literally "those who came/fell down."
A recent dead-sea scroll find and translation, "the Book of Giants," also contains this story in great detail. Before you question the validity of the non-canonical books I mention, keep in mind that not only were they part of the original Old Testament, but many of them--particularly Enoch--were quoted from by the Apostles in the New Testament. Quotes from the book of Enoch can found in the books of Jude, Revelation, and several other places.
Plan9 - a fellow science fiction fan! I'm amazed at how many people never read science fiction. Not only does it explore new technology and its consequences it explores the social medium and the effects of changes on our society. Plus it's just fun to read! I'd love to hear your explaination if you have the time.
I just want straight answers for what I think are very reasonable questions:
a) If every human being has a tail for some period in the womb, then why is a baby born with such a tail automatically considered the product of demon blood? If this assertion is true, then since everyone has a tail for a little while, then either EVERYBODY a descendant of a demon or nobody is, correct?
b) In 99% of the world, the gods, demigods, and spirits herein associated with the Nephelim were established centuries, even millenia, before any Word of the God of Abraham reached the locals. Either worship of these deities didn't endanger their followers' souls, God didn't know what they were up to and therefore isn't all-knowing, or God just didn't love the locals enough to care that each of their souls were forfeit to hell and therefore is kind of deceitful; is this a reasonable assumption?
c) If mating with humanity jeopardized unborn generations of humanity so much, then why did God allow it? Usually, Satanic meddling is excused by the "We have a choice" argument, but no one can choose to be born with demonic heritage. If demonic bloodlines are so perilous for humans, then that makes Nephelim breeding a direct assault against humanity by a force that was beyond us - and so, where was God?
a) "If every human being has a tail for some period in the womb, then why is a baby born with such a tail automatically considered the product of demon blood? "
in my opinion the author of the article considers her a demon not just because of the tail, but because of the birthmarks the child has which a hindu god had (nephelim). Who knows what this child will turn out to do when older (if he really is nephelim)
b) "In 99% of the world, the gods, demigods, and spirits herein associated with the Nephelim were established centuries, even millenia, before any Word of the God of Abraham reached the locals. "
can you explain it better? the ancient legends/book of enoch/bible give us the answer to the origins of the pagan gods. All people have to do is put the pieces together. Everything is connected but people don't put the time and effort into researching it (or maybe because they are kept ignorant)
c)"If mating with humanity jeopardized unborn generations of humanity so much, then why did God allow it? "
they didnt ask God for permission. Asking this is like asking why God allowed the serpent to deceive Eve. He allows things to happen for a purpose. A funny excuse i can come up with is that since he is all knowing he could have killed satan and other angels before they did anything, but then that wouldnt be fair to just kill them without them doing anything first.
__________________
Last edited by jhessel; 27th August 2003 at 03:47 AM.
a) If a human child born with a tail is perfectly feasible, than needless to say, a human child born with birthmarks is even more feasible. That a child should have both - and let me say that I could find nothing about the legendary Hanuman having 9 spots on his body - is well within the realm of coincidence; there's no need to assume demonic interbreeding for traits that everyone shows to some degree.
b) That doesn't really answer my question. You're telling me about the origins of the pagan gods, but my question is already based on the assumption that the pagan gods were, in fact, Nephelim: in the case of, say, the Norse or Hindu pantheon, these Nephelim set themselves up as God before God himself had established himself in the region. It would therefore be impossible for the locals to know that they were sinning; maybe we can still grant that God has his reasons, but I can think of no possible reason for the wholesale damnation of thousands of generations in an entire HEMISPHERE that I can reconcile with the claim that God is love.
c) This isn't really the same thing as the serpent's deception because God had previously said "Don't do this;" Adam and Eve knew that they had the choice of obeying their creator or disobeying Him (i.e. sinning). The brides of the Nephelim, in most, if not all, cases, had no such choice because they'd never heard of such a God: the human gene pool was literally going to the dogs and the future of humanity was in jeopardy, and the Word of God, which could have warned them against interbreeding, was nowhere to be found.
The story can also be found in the books of Jasher, Jubilees, and the recently-found Dead Sea Scroll, the Book of Giants. Angels have bodies. They can take a variety of forms, as well ("for Satan can appear even as an angel of light," etc.). There were two angelic rebellions, the first being the Luciferian rebellion that most are familiar with; this is the source of what Paul calls, in the sixth chapter of Ephesians, "Spirit wickedness in high places." This is why Jesus calls Satan "the prince of the powers of the air."
UFO researchers, take notice. The second rebellion came much, much later, and is well known in Hebrew esoteric tradition. In fact, much of this knowledge is still intact in the Hebrew tradition. Many books which were originally in the Bible--the books of Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees, and so on--contain the whole story of the fallen angels who rebelled in order to mate with human women. These beings were called the NEPHILIM, literally "those who came/fell down."
A recent dead-sea scroll find and translation, "the Book of Giants," also contains this story in great detail. Before you question the validity of the non-canonical books I mention, keep in mind that not only were they part of the original Old Testament, but many of them--particularly Enoch--were quoted from by the Apostles in the New Testament. Quotes from the book of Enoch can found in the books of Jude, Revelation, and several other places.
Ok...but you still did not answer my questions...how does this leap of logic go from giants to babies with tails? In any of these books does it say to beware of babies born with tails?
Also taking the verse that 'even satan can APPEAR as an angle of light' does not mean taking human form by any means...angels can appear as people (humans) that does not mean they are actually in a human body. I really think you are reading more into scriptures then is actually there.
(p.s. could you please list the scriptures in the bible that refer to these other books that are not in the bible? thanks)
Linear Mode
