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From: "JERRY VANGELDER" <vang820@msn.com>
To: "Marcia Van Gelder" <vangeldermarcia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: Allah or Jesus
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:51:10 -0600
Subject: Allah or Jesus



I think this is a good reminder to all of us concerning our future as well as our children and grandchildren.

Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathes

The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.

I was particularly inte rested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Man gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Islmams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels
of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven.

If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to tha t of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar."

He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them
a place in Heaven. The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in
order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic

Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. To elect the President!

I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.

Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.



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Old 30th April 2007, 04:47 AM
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Is that really true, Muslims really believe that killing a so called infidel is a sure fire way to heaven?
After the suicide bombings in London, there were a number of moderate Muslims going around saying Islam is a religion of peace, suggesting this was not really Islam. Or are they deceived? I wonder.
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Originally Posted by Anthonyw View Post
Is that really true, Muslims really believe that killing a so called infidel is a sure fire way to heaven?
After the suicide bombings in London, there were a number of moderate Muslims going around saying Islam is a religion of peace, suggesting this was not really Islam. Or are they deceived? I wonder.

They are liars and murders and follow the father of lies and murder. Fortunately for us, they have not succeeded in killing all who aren't Muslim. ...mostly they have been extremely successful in murdering each other.

What we call moderate Muslims are not being true to the Qumran. The Qur'an calls for the murder of all who aren't Muslim. The radicals are being true to Muslim beliefs.
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Is that really true, Muslims really believe that killing a so called infidel is a sure fire way to heaven?
After the suicide bombings in London, there were a number of moderate Muslims going around saying Islam is a religion of peace, suggesting this was not really Islam. Or are they deceived? I wonder.
they are deceived.

Actually, Allah isn't even the name of their God. Isn't Mahammand? Allah just means God in their lanuage. It's isnt' his name. In witnessing to a muslim, you would say, Jesus is the Son of Allah, where they may or may not resist. They even believe in Abraham and that he serves the same God they do, when in fact the God they serve isnt' Jehovah God, but the Isalm god. They are just very confused. Many of them are having dreams and visions of Jesus and are leaving the Isalm religion for Jesus.
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they are deceived.

Actually, Allah isn't even the name of their God. Isn't Mahammand? Allah just means God in their lanuage. It's isnt' his name. In witnessing to a muslim, you would say, Jesus is the Son of Allah, where they may or may not resist. They even believe in Abraham and that he serves the same God they do, when in fact the God they serve isnt' Jehovah God, but the Isalm god. They are just very confused. Many of them are having dreams and visions of Jesus and are leaving the Isalm religion for Jesus.
They do not believe Jesus is the Son of God and it even says on their mosques allah has no son. They believe Jesus was a great prophet and love and respect him and that he was born of a virgin, Mary. They say we believe in the same God, and God of Abraham Isaac and Ismael. But its not the same since they don't to beleive in YHVH, (JEHOVAH) our God., the God of Abraham Isacc and JACOB, whose name was changed to ISRAEL.

There are muslims who do not really practice their religion or follow the Quran just like some call themselves Christians who don't live for the Lord nor live by the Bible.

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Is that really true, Muslims really believe that killing a so called infidel is a sure fire way to heaven?
After the suicide bombings in London, there were a number of moderate Muslims going around saying Islam is a religion of peace, suggesting this was not really Islam. Or are they deceived? I wonder.
Everyone wants to goto heaven but they think it entirely up to allah if he want to send to heaven or hell. But since they think we should all be muslim and one day everyone will be foreces to be, they believe the only sure way to make it to heaven is to kill the "People of the book" , that the Bible, Jews and Christians. They think since American started out being a Christan nation then everyone here is Chrisitan.

As I said in my post before some are peaceful but as in any group, some are deceived , others deceptive.

The way I understand it, their leader was peaceful at one time, but later when going through some serious mental problems, changed and added some very radical beliefs to their religion. Its in their Quran and many in their other book they follow. The visions he had was not from god as he thought. We are warned to try every spirit, that is, compare and prove it with the Word of God, because they will decieve us. All visions are not from God but some are.
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They do not believe Jesus is the Son of God and it even says on their mosques allah has no son. They believe Jesus was a great prophet and love and respect him and that he was born of a virgin, Mary. They say we believe in the same God, and God of Abraham Isaac and Ismael. But its not the same since they don't to beleive in YHVH, (JEHOVAH) our God., the God of Abraham Isacc and JACOB, whose name was changed to ISRAEL.

There are muslims who do not really practice their religion or follow the Quran just like some call themselves Christians who don't live for the Lord nor live by the Bible.
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I have may have a surprise for both of you, J4Jesus and TGIH, Allah does not equal Jehovah. Allah is the devil. I say a teaching on this which convinced me that the Jews Worship Jehovah of the OT, while the one who the Muslims call Allah is in fact the devil.
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I have may have a surprise for both of you, J4Jesus and TGIH, Allah does not equal Jehovah. Allah is the devil. I say a teaching on this which convinced me that the Jews Worship Jehovah of the OT, while the one who the Muslims call Allah is in fact the devil.
Hi God_Owned

Thats no surprise to me. I know allah doesn't equal Jehovah. Thats what I've have been saying. So did you read my posts wrong or did I type something wrong?
Can you show me what gave you the impression that I did?
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