Allah or Jesus

God_Owned · #21 3rd May 2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mark2010

Allah = Satan????

Now THAT's the kind of statement that will start World War III.

Are you a Liberal or just another victim of our failing public education system. I only ask because your statement is the most stupid thing I've heard in a long, long time.

The truth is the truth and Christians tell the truth without fear yielding to the fear of the devil, but thank you for accusing me of ignorantly trying to start WW III.

You could put your mind to rest, and I think it needs the rest, if you bother to read your Bible because you'd find that we win, WW III or no WW III.

Maybe you better head for the bomb shelter because I'm gong to say it again, "The one who the Muslims call Allah, is in fact Satan."

Fear not. Alas poor Urich, God has already taken the heat for us.

God_Owned · #22 3rd May 2007, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mark2010

And all this name-calling accomplishes what?

What name calling would that be?

LivinIt · #23 3rd May 2007, 12:01 PM

Wow- this is kind of confusing and fairly hard to follow, and though I'm young, I'm throwing in what I've learned about Islam.

The Islamic people believe that they worship the one true God. You need to remember that if you trace thier geneology back, they are the children of Ishmael (as the Jews are the children of Israel). The whole deal is that Ismael was born before Isaac, and as Christians we know that Isaac was the son that God promised to Abraham, but the Islamics believe that Ishmael was first born and should have received the blessing, not Isaac. That is where all conflict with Israel comes in. This is also why they believe that they are worshipping our God, but that we are deceived.

So far as Allah goes, I do not know that I would directly say that Allah is Satan. I mean, if you want to see people worshipping Satan directly than look at the Satanists here in the US and in Europe. I'll admit that there is definitely satanic influence in islam, but I really don't think that it's fair to say that they are outright worshipping satan. There is some sort of satanic influence in most every world religion, that doesn't mean that those who aren't Christian are worshipping the devil. Even if the Islams are worshipping satan, not all Islamic people are "radical" Islams. I mean, many people stay in that religion purely out of fear. Do you know the punishment for leaving the religion? There have been tales of someone leaving Islam for another religion (especially Christianity) and their community attempts to kill them, and may even attack or kill their families, assuming that the family doesn't go after the one who turned from their faith first. It's absolutely horrible!

So far as Jihad, if they give thier lives in Jihad it not only earns them a place in heaven, but they get x number of virgins for them to enjoy also (random fact).

So, I'm just going to say please be careful. Don't let yourselves turn into people that so against Islamic people that you start to seem racist against those from the middle east (I've seen it happen to many good Christians). Ultimately, you need to remember that they are still people, and though some of them do horrible things, they still deserve God's grace and love, and it is our responsibility to share it with them. They need our prayers a lot more than they need our scorn and disgust.

God_Owned · #24 3rd May 2007, 12:20 PM

So far as Allah goes, I do not know that I would directly say that Allah is Satan.

Don't worry, I'll say it for you. The one who the Muslims call Allah is Satan.

I mean, if you want to see people worshipping Satan directly than look at the Satanists here in the US and in Europe. I'll admit that there is definitely satanic influence in Islam, but I really don't think that it's fair to say that they are outright worshipping Satan.

Really. By what spirit do you think they have become so filled with hate, murdering even more of their own that they murder who they call infidels. Do you understand that according to their believes there will be a holy war in which the Muslims will convert or kill all who aren't Muslim. Hmmmmm, I wonder if the devil might be behind this,

I mean, many people stay in that religion purely out of fear. Do you know the punishment for leaving the religion? There have been tales of someone leaving Islam for another religion (especially Christianity) and their community attempts to kill them, and may even attack or kill their families, assuming that the family doesn't go after the one who turned from their faith first. It's absolutely horrible!

If you understand this then you shouldn't have any problem understanding who their Allah is.

So, I'm just going to say please be careful. Don't let yourselves turn into people that so against Islamic people that you start to seem racist against those from the middle east (I've seen it happen to many good Christians). Ultimately, you need to remember that they are still people, and though some of them do horrible things, they still deserve God's grace and love, and it is our responsibility to share it with them. They need our prayers a lot more than they need our scorn and disgust.

The Bible says be careful for nothing and that we should tell the truth. Yes they have God's grace available to them and yes they need prayer, but what make you think people hate the people because they denounce their religion? I don't hate people who call themselves Muslim, but I loathe their religion because is of their father the devil.

Further, even though I don't hate them, I have no problem with killing them if necessary to protect this county and Israel.

Mark2010 · #25 3rd May 2007, 03:58 PM

God_Owned,

On a forum such as this, it is difficult to tell when one is being serious and when he/she is being sarcastic.

Yes, I am a Liberal (Liberal Party of Canada), but that doesn't have anything to do with what I posted earlier. How would Christians feel if someone suggested that Jesus was the devil? Not very bright.

I can accept that Allah and Jehovah may not be the same being. Just trying to figure out where Allah fits into the scheme of things.

Did Islam exist as a religion prior to Mohammed in 600-something A.D.?

God_Owned · #26 3rd May 2007, 04:46 PM

How Christians may or may not feel has nothing to do with telling the truth.

Have you yet asked yourself why I knew you were a Liberal? ...and being Liberal has everything to do with the way you think because it is that way you think that makes you a Liberal. ...and being a Liberal has everything to do with way you think is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. ...so you see, being a Liberal has everything to do with your position in this conversation.

Now wasn't that easy.

J4Jesus · #27 3rd May 2007, 05:17 PM

How about lets stick to the subject, what ever our views and not get personal

God_Owned · #28 3rd May 2007, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by J4Jesus

How about lets stick to the subject, what ever our views and not get personal

We are sticking to the subject, but thank your for thinking about us.

Interesting how you waited for me to reply to the other two people's personal post before you thought to offer your unsolicited referee services.

TheGloryisHere · #29 3rd May 2007, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by God_Owned

The point is, who they believe is Allah is in fact Satan.

Yes, who they "believe" is God, is really satan. They don't worship true God or the true Allah.

Mark2010 · #30 3rd May 2007, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by God_Owned

How Christians may or may not feel has nothing to do with telling the truth.

Have you yet asked yourself why I knew you were a Liberal? ...and being Liberal has everything to do with the way you think because it is that way you think that makes you a Liberal. ...and being a Liberal has everything to do with way you think is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. ...so you see, being a Liberal has everything to do with your position in this conversation.

Now wasn't that easy.

Well, the reason I am a Liberal is because Liberals tend to think much more like I do than any other party. Now, it does NOT mean that I agree with every single thing that the party or its leadership says or does!!

I took objection to your statement because it is highly offensive and inflamatory. In fact, I've gotten targeted by moderators for FAR less.

IMO, you and everyone else are free to speak your opinions, but you've offered little to support your assertion. I am not Muslim and am no one's expert on the history of Islam, but I have yet to read anything that would support your claim.

Given what you said, what is your take on Mohammed and the Quran? Is Mohammed a false prophet who intentionally tried to deceive people? If so, why? Or was he just misled? Did he get his teachings from Allah or make it all up himself?