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21st August 2003, 03:48 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by kiwichristian Hmm, I understand now that what I said may not have been true.
I guess I have never really read up on the Big Bang Theory. I apologize if I have made incorrect statements.
But I will stick by my belief that the earth didnt appear because of the Big Bang.
I, like many many other christians, believe that God created the earth, as it is foretold in the bible.
I guess that is because we have faith, we believe that God is the ultimate creator.
why do you stick to that statement? we are observing ever more examples of planetary formation around other stars, both from actually seeing the effects of other planets, and seeing protoplanetary discs. The entire solar system looks like it should if stellar machanics is correct. God may have made earth, but he made it using physics, and I think that is a far more beautiful and elegant way to do it than leave some messy patchwork universe that looks like the cosmic equivalent of a child's colouring book.
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21st August 2003, 11:15 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa I hate to crush yours, but lightsails have been investigated for powering spaceships. If you have launching lasers you can get a respectable fraction of c for final velocity. Better than what you get for conventional rockets because you don't have to carry reaction mass. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle used the concept in their book The Mote in God's Eye. Originally Posted by lucaspa fraction of c for final velocity.
Yes, FRACTION of c. Originally Posted by lucaspa Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle used the concept in their book The Mote in God's Eye
I will check out the book, really thanks  . I sometimes watch "Cosmic Fridays" on satellite. Like you stated, they echoed that it is "conceptual" where as we know Eistein's formula seems to be valid. If they can achieve light speed without the mass of the ship or the passengers becoming infinite, go for it...we will be visting neighboring solar systems in no time especially if we can achieve super luminal speeds. Nice idea... if someone can overturn Einstein's formula and use it for manned space that would be great!  |
21st August 2003, 11:24 AM
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What about the idea as it was originally presented. GOD WAS THE CAUSE OF THE BIG BANG. Thus both the Big Bang theory and God's creation of the universe and all in it can both be true. |
21st August 2003, 11:28 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by kiwichristian Hmm, I understand now that what I said may not have been true.
I guess I have never really read up on the Big Bang Theory. I apologize if I have made incorrect statements.
But I will stick by my belief that the earth didnt appear because of the Big Bang.
I, like many many other christians, believe that God created the earth, as it is foretold in the bible.
I guess that is because we have faith, we believe that God is the ultimate creator.
KIWI, I believe in "The Big Bang" but I often ponder what was there one second before "The Big Bang"?? I believe something had to cause it. Also "Big Bang" scientists say, when the explosion started the mass of the particles was "infinitly small", ponder those topic and study the "red shifting" I mentioned, earlier. Don't be discouraged, at all. Just remeber that science is not the enemy..you may find it actually can strengthen your belief in a creator! It is important though to sift through mythology vs. factual information. Keep digging, you will like what you find.
Also, do some research and see where our own solar system sits in our own Galaxy (Milky Way) and then take a look at Hubble's "deep field" single frame shot of, Galaxies as far as Hubble could see into space and actually, back in time. I think you will be amazed by that, if you cannot find it..I can send it to you..send me a Private message with your e-mail address. I have an archive of some amazing pictures! |
21st August 2003, 11:30 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA KIWI, I believe in "The Big Bang" but I often ponder what was there one second before "The Big Bang"??
space time was created in the big bang itself... there is no before, by definition!
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21st August 2003, 11:51 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MartinM The speed of gravity? 
Yes, you make a good point. I do not think that was what he was contrasting to though...read his other posts. |
21st August 2003, 11:55 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Jet Black space time was created in the big bang itself... there is no before, by definition!
Yes, by definition, that is true. I am a hard core scientist but like I mentioned many times before, I do believe in a "Creator"..but not the watered down fairy tale version that is displayed so often here. By definition there is no "before" but one has to wonder about the cause of the explosion and where the first matter came from, I know I wonder that. |
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by MartinM The speed of gravity?
the speed of gravity is supposed to be the same as the sped of light. this one is still a bit up in the air as no-one has managed to measure it yet.
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21st August 2003, 11:57 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA Yes, by definition, that is true. I am a hard core scientist but like I mentioned many times before, I do believe in a "Creator"..but not the watered down fairy tale version that is displayed so often here. By definition there is no "before" but one has to wonder about the cause of the explosion and where the first matter came from, I know I wonder that.
yeah, "before" is quite interesting I will admit  I have often wondered about it myself. It is quite difficult to talk about, what with language being so temporally limited and all!
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21st August 2003, 11:58 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet Oh yeah? Well my uncle was a director for Pinky and the Brain!
...until they canceled it... now he's struggling to find work, I'm not even sure what he does now.
that's such a shame  Your uncle has to be one of the people who has inspired me most in this world.
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