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Old 20th August 2003, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LorentzHA
Yes, LIGHT does travel at the speed of LIGHT, what other speed would it travel at????
The speed of gravity?
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Originally Posted by LorentzHA
Oh..I thought he was being sarcastic....you mean he is SERIOUS?? Oh ummm, welll...yikes. You mean he thinks a song actually falsifies the Big Bang? No, come on he has to be kidding..Fozzwald, will you clear this up?
It appears that he is being cheeky, but I assuming he is referencing a common presupposition in western metaphysics, which I can't remember the latin name of. But it can be summarized as "nothing comes from nothing." I am not a philosopher, but the scientist in me wants to say "that depends on what you mean by nothing." Three thousand year old greek philosophy is fun and useful, but I think in some ways it hasn't kept up with our current state of knowledge.
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The thread starter ran off... *snaps his fingers in disappointment*
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Originally Posted by LorentzHA
Originally Posted By: Michali

so why not have light push something?" A laser blasting against like a mirror or something that would eventually propel a ship to near light speed..

I certainly do not want to be the one to crush your boyhood dream, however, there is the small problem of YOUR mass and the mass of the space ship becoming infinite!!!
I hate to crush yours, but lightsails have been investigated for powering spaceships. If you have launching lasers you can get a respectable fraction of c for final velocity. Better than what you get for conventional rockets because you don't have to carry reaction mass. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle used the concept in their book The Mote in God's Eye.
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Originally Posted by Fozzwald
You're entirely correct. Besides, Billy Preston falsified it in the early 1970s with his song, "Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing."
:rolleyes: You're serious, right? Check out www.reasons.org and find out what a Christian astronomer thinks of this argument.

Now, there is a company formed to investigate getting energy from the nothing of vacuum.

7. P Yam, Exploiting zero-point energy. Scientific American, 279: 82-101, Dec. 1997.
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Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet
The thread starter ran off... *snaps his fingers in disappointment*
You're surprised?? Poor KiwiChristian is one of those who reads creationist sites and thinks that is the last word. Then he came here and found out that not only didn't anyone believe the argument, but everyone had heard it before and had all the counters ready.

He's probably in shock.
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You really didnt expect him to stay did you? After insulting a priest and all.
The funny thing is that trolling like this, does nothing but hurt his side, unless of course, thats what he wanted.

Speaking of light propulsion, I was just reading in Pop Sci about one plan to deflect an asteroid heading towards earth. It was to coat one side of the asteroid with a reflective metal, then either use lasers or the suns own light to shift the asteroid away from a colision with earth.

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Originally Posted by Arikay
You really didnt expect him to stay did you? After insulting a priest and all.
The funny thing is that trolling like this, does nothing but hurt his side, unless of course, thats what he wanted.

Speaking of light propulsion, I was just reading in Pop Sci about one plan to deflect an asteroid heading towards earth. It was to coat one side of the asteroid with a reflective metal, then either use lasers or the suns own light to shift the asteroid away from a colision with earth.
Lasers? What the?

Is it somehow using the idea that light has some mass and thus can push an object?
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No mass, just momentum. And yes, it can and does push objects.
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