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24th April 2007, 09:50 AM
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Reps: 3,365,138 (power: 3,379) | | I feel Christ will directly speak to each of these people and at that time that person will have a choice. A bad person will not want to go to heaven the idea of heaven would sicken them. A good person whos heart is right but has not heard the gospel it would seem that because of Christs Love for ALL man they would have the chance to accept christ at the time of their death. Can i prove this from the Bible no. its just my thoughts from my knowing how much Christ Loves us. The best answer for this questian ciners is found within yourself You know as i do as well that this person is in heaven dont doubt what you know inside because inside you is Gods Spirit and sister that Spirit has already answered your questian  |
24th April 2007, 10:02 AM
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Reps: 280,772,121,099,737,952 (power: 280,772,121,099,759) | | | That's my point Rod. We have no right to say if a person is saved or not. Only God knows that for sure. Only God knows what happens between the time of a persons humanly death, and heaven/hell. Only God knows a persons true heart. And this man in question had the biggest heart of any man I've ever known. He is with Jesus. I know he is.
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24th April 2007, 11:09 AM
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24th April 2007, 11:11 AM
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Reps: 417,455,151,330,756,096 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Simon_Templar  Goodness requires justice. An unjust God, can't be good. Goodness also requires holiness, etc etc. All of God's attributes must be taken together, because he is one. He can not be broken up into components. His goodness, his wrath, his justice, his mercy, are all different facets of the same Gem.
Secondly, God tends to give people, not only what they deserve, but also what they want. Most of the people who store up judgement for themselves do so because they are rebels at heart. They would rather serve themselves at the cost of hell, than serve God. In a way, eternal servitude and worship to a righteous God would be hell for such people.  |
6th May 2007, 10:19 AM
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Reps: 165,342 (power: 178) | | Originally Posted by Questioning Christian Come on, now, with the rest of the crazy questions on this forum, let's take this to its logical end. How could a good God allow people not to get saved?
Do you think it is God that doesn't allow them to be saved? I have always believed (could be wrong here) that each person will have an opportunity to decide on where they will spend eternity. It is our decision, not God's.
Not sure of the verse, but know it is there somewhere, will look and report back, it says that even the stars and trees shout out that there is a Creator (very much paraphrased). So man can see God in the creation and yet sometimes will still turn away from God. |
6th May 2007, 10:24 AM
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Reps: 54,421 (power: 64) | | | sighhh this question doesn't deserve an answer...we send ourselves to hell...we have a choice...to accept Him or not..it is our choice to worship in heaven or suffer in hell.. and some decide that it is better to suffer in hell than to worship in heaven...
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8th May 2007, 03:38 AM
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Reps: 20,829,772,911,935,200 (power: 20,829,772,911,943) | |  Prayfully consider these verses.
1 Peter 3:19,20a By which also he(Christ) went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah. Zechariah 9:11,12 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even today do I declare that I will render double unto thee. Ephesians 4:7,8,9 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says : "When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men." What does "he acended" mean except that he also decended into the depths of the earth ? Consider prayerfully what these three scripture passages mean. Here we have three sources, Paul , Peter & Zachariah writing about Christ decending into hell preaching the gospel and releasing the captives. On any level you accept these scriptures they proclaim, "OUR GOD IS MERCIFUL AND JUST" For myself I feel no need to make a doctrine out of these verses. It is enough to know that God has a plan and it will be equitable loving and perfect. This answers the question for me. God is good and will give everyone a chance to hear the gospel. And thats what I have to say on that subject.  |
8th May 2007, 04:03 AM
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Reps: 203,531,632,159,319,808 (power: 203,531,632,159,335) | | Originally Posted by Time4AChange Because He is so Good, that's why He allows people to go to hell.
Sinners cant dwell in the Holy Presence of God, that's why Hell was created. He is too good and pure and holy to even be in the presence of sin. Also God is a fair, and a just God. People who end up in hell will be the ones that deserve to be there, just as the ones who end up in Heaven will be the ones that deserve to be there
DESERVE to be there? I never got the memo about deserve having anything to do with Christianity.
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8th May 2007, 04:06 AM
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Reps: 203,531,632,159,319,808 (power: 203,531,632,159,335) | | Originally Posted by YahshuaWitness YAHVEH does not send anyone to Hell. Everyone living is now making their reservations for Heaven or Hell. YAHVEH is always right in what he allows. So if someone goes to Hell they deserve it. Remember, He is a GOD of balance.
The reverse being if they didn't deserve to go to hell they'd go to heaven?
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8th May 2007, 04:11 AM
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Reps: 203,531,632,159,319,808 (power: 203,531,632,159,335) | | | A person only goes to hell cause the reject Jesus. They don't go cause the diddle the neighbor's wife or killed they guy diddling their wife, they don't go for stealing plasma tv's during a hurricane or for lying on their taxs. A person goes to hell cause they're separated from God and never accepted the reconcilliation offered by Christ.
WHY DOES GOD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO TO HELL? That's a stupid question, what MORE can He do, He's done all there is to do, but if someone rejects what was done for them, they will go to hell.
EVEN if that someone is an awesome person who doesn't lie or cheat or steal or ever ever do anything wrong. You reject Jesus you go to hell. And the murdering sob in prison who's acts you could never imagine doing will go to heaven if he accepts what was done for him.
PERIOD. Heaven and hell has absolutly nothing to do with how good or bad you are folks.
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