Early Egyptian Dynasties

AiG puts the date of the alleged global flood at 2304 BC (instead of Ussher's 2348 BC calculation). If this is true there are certain questions that must be raised involving the early years of Egyptian civilization.

Firstly, the first 6 of Egypt's 31 dynasties predate or overlap with the AiG's date. Why is there an uninteruppted history of Egypt extending right through the flood date?

Secondly, when exactly did Egyptian civilization begin? Which of these dynasties was in fact the first and how did the Egyptians manage to have an enormous and populous civilization by the time of the Exodus (1447 BC according to AiG) when the rest of the world was being civilized as well?

Thirdly, when did all of Egypt's great temples, monuments, and other structures get built? Do the pyramids really predate the flood? The Temple of Karnak? Do any of these things predate the flood or did the Egyptians just build even more quickly than conventional wisdom suggests?

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Well the Egypts were a highly advanced culture and skilled at forming papyrus so they made papyrus snorkels. And since everyone knew about the flood was there no point in writing about the event so it soon became forgotten.
/Dr Domealittle.

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Pyramids are pretty solid structures, so they could probably withstand the Flood. There is no evidence that the egyptians lived through the Flood.

Yes, the historical implications of a global flood in 2300 BC are just mind-boggling to consider. Here we have a thriving civilization in Egypt (and Sumeria, India and China), which is clicking along swimmingly. Then, the flood, and they are all wiped out, but all their artifacts remain intact including some items which would seem to have had a VERY difficult time surviving (much less remaining in place) the type of flood we are talking about.

Then (and this is the kicker), with only a handful of humans left, a group quickly repopulates each previously civilized area and takes up COMPLETELY where the previous culture left off, including language, customs, religious beliefs (now THAT part is hard to explain!), and political structures. AND in each case (Egyptian, Indian, Sumerian and Chinese), they did this so quickly and completely as to leave no discernable gap in the historical record.

One very strong reason why I believe in a regional flood.

the history of ancient egypt continues uninterrupted through the flood times. that would seem to indicate that there was no flood, since life as usual continued. at least, the flood did not wipe out egyptian life and culture.
some kemetic writings discuss a time when the sea rose up and attacked the land. it was a call to balance.

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“Much unhappiness has come into the world because of bewilderment and things left unsaid.” - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

There was a Flood, and it did cover Egypt. The Flood only lasted a year, so it would appear that there was no interruption to observers thousands of years later.

The Bible is God-Breathed fact, every single word is true.

Dayton said:

"The Bible is God-Breathed fact, every single word is true."

I agree completely. And I believe that the flood was local.

But please provide a plausible explanation how the Egyptian scenario (to name just one) could have played out? How did it almost immediately (in historical terms) continue on with its EXACT culture, religion, language, and political structure if an entirely new and unrelated population moved in?

This is not even considering how a population large enough to support and promote this EXACT same culture, religion, language and politics came about so soon after the flood as create a seamless historical record.

Think about it. Here we have a land that is completely scoured by the flood, leaving only the large monumental structures in place (we won't argue about that for the moment). The entire Egyptian population has been destroyed, a culture which had been a thriving and complex society. So, into this wasteland comes a new group, one of Noah's sons or grandsons or possibly great grandsons and his kin. Maybe a few hundred or so. They move into the land, and immediately abandon their current religion and adopt that of the previous Egyptian culture. They establish the same priest classes and set up the same political structure EXACTLY as it had existed in the previous culture. They also immediately abandon their own language in favor of the one used by the previous culture and begin using their form of writing. In fact, within a VERY short period of time, they revitalize an identical culture and carry on as the destroyed Egyptians would have done had there been no flood.

And this "exact-and-nearly-immediate-replication" happened simultaneously with every thriving pre-flood culture.

This would truly be a miracle, although I am not sure what it's purpose would be.

Like so much else on AiG their flood date, 2304 BC is truely absurd. Not only was Egyptian civilization running along nicely in about the 6th dynasty but that is also about the time that Sargon I conquered Sumer and civilizations were developing in China and the Indus Valley. None of these people seemed to notice that worldwide flood that supposedly covered the entire earth for a year and killed off all but on family who were on a big boat in the Middle East.

Of course there was civilization in Egypt for quite a while before the upper and lower regions were united to form the first dynasty before 3000 BC. My Egyptian friends say their country has 7000 years of prehistory and history and that is probably about right.

Yet AiG says there was a worldwide flood 700 years after the founding of the first Egyptian dynasty and during the course of some other civilizations. They give no possible explanation for at least a 1000 year compresion of history, after all it would take some time for civilizations to recover and spread out and develop totally new cultures and even totally new religions after the flood.

As I have said before AiG should put the followind disclaimer on every page of their web site.

All logic abandon ye who enter here.

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THere is plenty of evidence. In the first place, there is a continuous history of civilization in Egypt right through the alleged flood period.

In the second place, there is exactly ZERO evidence for any flood anyhow. So living through a non-existent flood would have been pretty easy for Egyptians.

they weren't the only society to survive the flood.....

and remember this is the flood that made mountains, carved the grand canyon. killed entire species and civilisations while simultaneously sorting fossils into perfect piles, creating pure chalk and saly and even preserving itty bitty little insect footprints (the insects incidentally were three hundred feet under water and trying to run up the sand dunes that the flood was depositing at the same time)

I am sure pulling down a few flimsy bits of sandstone would not be a problem

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