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22nd August 2003, 08:45 AM
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Reps: 281 (power: 0) | | "Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion — a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint — and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it — the [bible] literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.[and further on]... evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity. " Ruse, M., How evolution became a religion: creationists correct? National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000.
Yes, evolution would be true. If you wish to believe that God does not exist. But we know that God does by what He has done in our lives. So it is no more than a fantastic myth to true believers and an alternative faith to non believers. Theistic evolutionists, well they are simply caught in the middle - for they are simply unsure of which side to be on.
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22nd August 2003, 08:50 AM
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Reps: 5,749 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Crusadar Yes, evolution would be true. If you wish to believe that God does not exist. But we know that God does by what He has done in our lives. So it is no more than a fantastic myth to true believers and an alternative faith to non believers. Theistic evolutionists, well they are simply caught in the middle - for they are simply unsure of which side to be on.
Could you be more insulting if you really tried?
"fantastic myth to true believers" - so only YECs are "true believers" - the rest of us aren't really Christians. How dare you, you self-righteous, arrogant, spiritually proud, religious snob?
"unsure of which side to be on" - the side of truth and of reality. The side of accepting what God has told us through Scripture and through the Creation itself. |
22nd August 2003, 08:59 AM
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Reps: 281 (power: 0) | | | Careful your true spiritual fruits are showing through karl. I was commenting on the quote, not calling anyone anything. Of course why are you taking it so literal, I thought you are not a literalist. And besides I am not the one getting all steamed up about it.
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22nd August 2003, 09:18 AM
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Reps: 5,749 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Crusadar Careful your true spiritual fruits are showing through karl. I was commenting on the quote, not calling anyone anything. Of course why are you taking it so literal, I thought you are not a literalist. And besides I am not the one getting all steamed up about it.
Don't be ridiculous. Your meaning was perfectly clear.
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22nd August 2003, 10:05 AM
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Reps: 281 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider Don't be ridiculous. Your meaning was perfectly clear.
If you stir up a hornets' nest, don't act the innocent when you get stung on the [blasted language filter] backside.
So sting me already! It would seem that you are a literalist (to an extent anyway). It is just too bad you are more concern in believing what men agree on rather than what scripture tells you. But that's okay, for scripture does say that is impossible to please God without faith.
So the fact that I believe in God wholly and have no doubt at all in what He has revealed to me through His word simply confirms that I care little for your rude remarks, and more in pleasing God.
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22nd August 2003, 10:47 AM
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Reps: 5,749 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Crusadar So sting me already! It would seem that you are a literalist (to an extent anyway). It is just too bad you are more concern in believing what men agree on rather than what scripture tells you. But that's okay, for scripture does say that is impossible to please God without faith.
This is getting boring. You insist on conflating "don't take literally" with "don't believe". That's your intellectual difficulty, not mine. Just stop the false "don't believe" accusations yesterday. If you can't understand how I believe the Scriptures that's your sad look-out. So the fact that I believe in God wholly and have no doubt at all in what He has revealed to me through His word simply confirms that I care little for your rude remarks, and more in pleasing God.
You've got no idea have you. You're the one who started casting doubt on the true Christianity of theistic evolutionists.
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22nd August 2003, 11:16 AM
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What about us Christians who are born again and spirit-filled and believe that God has revealed something entirely different through His Spirit? Are you saying God has revealed different truths to each of us? |
22nd August 2003, 11:37 AM
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What about us Christians who are born again and spirit-filled and believe that God has revealed something entirely different through His Spirit? Are you saying God has revealed different truths to each of us?
Being born again is simply a beginning in the process of salvation. In order to understanding the nature of God and why He offered His beloved Son as atonement, one must surrender their life in totality to Christ. It is only then that He will reveal to us the truth of His infinite love - for there cannot be many truths for there is only one God. When we have stopped doubting the omniscient creative capabilities of God - it is only then that the lie of evolution is exposed.
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22nd August 2003, 12:02 PM
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Reps: 5,749 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Crusadar Being born again is simply a beginning in the process of salvation. In order to understanding the nature of God and why He offered His beloved Son as atonement, one must surrender their life in totality to Christ. It is only then that He will reveal to us the truth of His infinite love - for there cannot be many truths for there is only one God. When we have stopped doubting the omniscient creative capabilities of God - it is only then that the lie of evolution is exposed.
Who told you that evolution was about doubting the 'omniscient creative capabilities of God'? |
22nd August 2003, 12:16 PM
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Reps: 281 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider Who told you that evolution was about doubting the 'omniscient creative capabilities of God'?
Welcome back karl. I thought you left us.
My absolute faith in God.
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