Reason to Believe, a very interesting website

www.reasons.org

A very strong creationist website, backed by a lot of fundamentalist Christians as well as more moderate groups. Dr. Hugh Ross (a REAL doctorate, BTW) is an astrophysicist who knows his stuff. He shows why the earth is old, but still argues against evolution. I don't agree with everything conclusion they reach, but they are sound on an old earth and a regional flood, backing it all up with Scripture. Actually showing how Scripture argues for an old earth and not a young earth at all.

After viewing their "about us" statements, this fundamentalist Christian doesn't recommend their site.

This posting is here simply because it supports YOUR view of creationism. There are plenty of "fundamentist Christians" who would not see their (and your) view of creationism as being the "truth".

But you are entitled to your opinion.



~malaka~

Ah, but I am a fundamentalist Christian, and so is Jack Hayford, a prominent evangelical pastor, who endorses the group, and so is Dr. James Dobson, who has had Hugh Ross on many times and has stated that he thinks RTB is on the right track.

So... you believe what man teaches over what the Bible says?

Why don't you, as a professing Christian, tell people to take it to "God" and ask for direction instead of telling people to take it to "man"?

Why don't you, as a professing Christian, tell people to ask the Holy Spirit for discernment in their studies of the Word, soas to know what God wants them to see and understand instead of being lead by "man".


If you want to be on the "right track"... ask God... and I believe that Dr. james Dobson... would tell you the same thing.

~malaka~

Well, of course we should take it to God. That is obvious. But we also have teachers and scholars of the Word and of His Creation who we should learn from as well. Do you not listen to your pastor? Do you not read the writings of any Church leaders for enlightenment?

Why do you thing that AIG exists? If your position was correct, they should not be teaching anything about the subject since we should all just go to God and get His inspiration, one by one. That would pretty much put Hovind out of a job as well.

God expects us to use our intellect as well as seek the guidance of His Spirit. "Study and show thyself approved". And part of using our intellect is to study what others have said. The Christian bookstores are full of books for us to study based on that very idea. Every commentary written is based on that idea.

Do you deny this concept? Should we tell AIG and RTB both that they should just go ahead and shut their sites down. And tell Dobson he need not write any other books and should shut down his radio program since we can get our insights directly from God?

My point is this.... you identify "YEC-ism" as a false doctrine, and you continue to post your opinions on the subject. And it is just that... the opinions of man.

I have asked for the scriptures that identify "YEC-ism" as a false doctrine. If it is "so", it shouldn't be a problem for you to provide the "proof".




~malaka~

See my other posts on this point.

Are you really saying that there is a Scripture specifically identifying every false doctrine by name?

I don't think this is true.

I am only concerned with your public posting that "YEC-ism" is a false doctrine. I am not concerned with any other doctrine at this time.


It was my understanding from "other postings", you identified that YEC-ism was the major reason for people leaving Christianity. I would like to see "proof" of that statement also.

~malaka~

That statement is based on my personal observations and experience, which is why I said "I believe".

But see my other post for some links to the Scriptural analyses of why the whole young earth teaching is false.

But what is most false about it is the insistence that a young earth is the only correct way to interpret Genesis.

Originally Posted by Malaka

So... you believe what man teaches over what the Bible says?

Malaka, creationism IS what man teaches. Creationism is a man-made scientific theory based on THEIR man-made interpretation of the Bible. That they confuse their interpretation with "what the Bible says" simply shows that they are apostate as well as fallible.

Why don't you, as a professing Christian, tell people to take it to "God" and ask for direction instead of telling people to take it to "man"?

Malaka, who made the universe? Don't you believe God created the universe? Well, then, when we look at the universe aren't we also "taking it to God"? After all, we are looking at the evidence God put in His Creation on HOW He created. Why do you deny God in this fashion?

This idea that God wrote two books -- the Bible and Creation -- goes back to the beginning of Christianity.

Another quote from the Fontispiece of Origin of the Species:

"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain, that a man can search too far or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's works; divinity or philosophy [science]; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficience in both." Bacon: Advancement of Learning.

You seem to be ignoring one book. Why?