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16th August 2003, 07:18 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by Malaka I am only concerned with your public posting that "YEC-ism" is a false doctrine. I am not concerned with any other doctrine at this time.
It was my understanding from "other postings", you identified that YEC-ism was the major reason for people leaving Christianity. I would like to see "proof" of that statement also.
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I have made the same statement. YEC is 1) false idol worship and 2) apostasy.
There are many Christians who recognize the danger YEC poses for Christianity. This was one in the late 1800s:
"Fortunately, at about the time when Darwin's Descent of Man was published, there had come into Princeton University ``deus ex machina'' in the person of Dr. James McCosh. Called to the presidency, he at once took his stand against teachings so dangerous to Christianity as those of Drs. Hodge, Duffield, and their associates. In one of his personal confidences he has let us into the secret of this matter. With that hard Scotch sense which Thackeray had applauded in his well-known verses, he saw that the most dangerous thing which could be done to Christianity at Princeton was to reiterate in the university pulpit, week after week, solemn declarations that if evolution by natural selection, or indeed evolution at all, be true, the Scriptures are false. He tells us that he saw that this was the certain way to make the students unbelievers; he therefore not only checked this dangerous preaching but preached an opposite doctrine. With him began the inevitable compromise, and, in spite of mutterings against him as a Darwinian, he carried the day. Whatever may be thought of his general system of philosophy, no one can deny his great service in neutralizing the teachings of his predecessors and colleagues - so dangerous to all that is essential in Christianity. " http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi...al-effort.html |
22nd August 2003, 09:34 PM
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Reps: 200 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Malaka I have asked for the scriptures that identify "YEC-ism" as a false doctrine. If it is "so", it shouldn't be a problem for you to provide the "proof".
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And I have asked for the scriptures that have caused you to think that only a belief in a universe that is a few thousand years old is permitted by the Bible. One week ago you posted the following comment on another thread in this forum: Originally Posted by Malaka They might have more than one interpretation, but they only have one application.
This was my response a few hours later: Originally Posted by Sinai When scriptures are open to multiple interpretations, one should probably examine the original language and conduct a thorough research into the area before claiming that the interpretation he or she prefers is the only correct one. Are you ready to do that? If so, we can discuss this in the thread that has been started for that purpose.
Thus far, you have not responded. If you are interested in searching those scriptures together, please identify those scriptures that require you to deny the scientific evidence that the universe is billions of years old.
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23rd August 2003, 02:36 AM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa I have made the same statement. YEC is 1) false idol worship and 2) apostasy.
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THAT remains your opinon.... and it condemns millions of fundamentalists....
Not that I am taking your insults against YEC personally... but since being YEC hasn't been a salvation issue until this point that you call it an apostasy and false idol worship....
That is the same as saying I, and every other YEC believer, are not Christian and THAT is against the rules of this forum.
Don't post your tripe as fact again.
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23rd August 2003, 02:44 AM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Sinai And I have asked for the scriptures that have caused you to think that only a belief in a universe that is a few thousand years old is permitted by the Bible. One week ago you posted the following comment on another thread in this forum:
This was my response a few hours later:
Thus far, you have not responded. If you are interested in searching those scriptures together, please identify those scriptures that require you to deny the scientific evidence that the universe is billions of years old.
Thank you.
for starters....
Genesis 1:1
Genesis 1:5
Genesis 1:8
Genesis 1:13
Genesis 1:19
Genesis 1:23
Genesis 1:31
Genesis 2:2
Genesis 2:3
Just explain "In the beginnng, God... and tell me how "in the beginning" was billions of years ago.
MY God is a supernatural God that spoke this world into being and will speak it into destruction.
Then explain to me why I MUST not accept that God is a supernatural God capable of creating this universe, this world, and everything in it in 6 days.
Then explain to me why I MUST not accept the literal 24-hour day in Genesis.
Then explain to me how long the seventh day was???
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23rd August 2003, 02:50 AM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa You seem to be ignoring one book. Why?
It is "me" who is ignoring one book....
I believe what the Word of God says....
But I seem to be the only person who believes in a literal translation of the Bible on this forum. But that's okay.... and the persecutions are okay... I expect them any more. Every posting has become a "fight" and the sole purpose of this forums seems to be that the biggest and meanest dog wins.
Well, I am just going to sit on the porch and swing while the "dogs" fight it out. I not only know in whom I believe, but I already know what I beleive... and I am in good company.
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23rd August 2003, 06:49 AM
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Reps: 62,343 (power: 74) | | Originally Posted by Malaka It is "me" who is ignoring one book....
Yes, you're ignoring God's Creation I believe what the Word of God says....
God's Word is not always suposed to be taken literally But I seem to be the only person who believes in a literal translation of the Bible on this forum. But that's okay.... and the persecutions are okay... I expect them any more. Every posting has become a "fight" and the sole purpose of this forums seems to be that the biggest and meanest dog wins.
Why do you think non-literal means untrue?
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23rd August 2003, 05:26 PM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by wblastyn Yes, you're ignoring God's Creation
God's Word is not always suposed to be taken literally
Why do you think non-literal means untrue?
God' "creation" is not a "book".... and I don't have to accept God's creation as a "book"... for if it is a book, the story changes every day...
God is immutable; therefore, since I know that His creation changes every day, I am not to take it as "immutable truth".
You can't disprove young creationsim... you just cite science, which is of man... and not of God. God didn't create science, man did, so your basis is of this world, and not of God.
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23rd August 2003, 08:50 PM
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Since this thread's topic is "Reason to Believe, a very interesting website," and since your post lists scriptures that you think require you believe that the entire universe was fully created in 144 consecutive Earth hours about 6000 years ago, I have responded to your post at the thread that deals with that topic.
I hope that is satisfactory with you....and thank you for your response. |
24th August 2003, 10:17 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Yea, right. RTB is the organization that pushes the idea of pre-Adamic hominids - humans having no souls that predate the creation of Adam. A wee mistake that God made, then had to wipe out and start over. I guess He was so embarrassed over that one that He didn't mention them in His Word. I for one, will not go there. |
25th August 2003, 12:34 AM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Sinai Malaka:
Since this thread's topic is "Reason to Believe, a very interesting website," and since your post lists scriptures that you think require you believe that the entire universe was fully created in 144 consecutive Earth hours about 6000 years ago, I have responded to your post at the thread that deals with that topic.
I hope that is satisfactory with you....and thank you for your response.
No... it wasn't satisfactory for me to go to yet another thread to be condemned once again.
I have come to the conclusion that there are some pretty sick people on this forum that are so driven by hatred that the truth will never be in them... You may as well post that the Bible is a myth... because that is what you are making of it.
I can't prove "faith" and you can't "disprove" it.
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