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Not exactly, you see you claim that your trying to falsify the world wide flood. Or more exactly, your trying to falsify that the highlands were underwater, because everyone seems to accept that the low lands, world wide were flooded. Ok, so lets say you accomplish your objective. Then all of a sudden you say: "Young Earth Creationism was falsied".
Now, what was your objective? To falsify the world wide flood, or was your objective to really falisify Young Earth Creationism? Because just to falsify a world wide flood does not falsify Young Earth Creationism. In order to do that, you have to falsify that the earth is YOUNG. But you say, I have all this evidence for an old earth. Yes, but what about the earth we know today. Even if there was a old earth, the earth we know today is very young. It began at the end of the last ice age about 14,000 years ago. Pretty much as the Bible says.
In fact, the Bible tells us about the old earth, and the young earth at the same time. That is why both theorys are true. Only I believe the days in Genesis represent 1000 years and are not a literal 24 hour day. The world as we know it today, has been around for about 12 to 14 thousand years. 13,970 years, to be exact.
Young Earth Creationism claims that the earth is 6000 to 10,000 years old and that most of the world's sedimentary geology was deposited by a worldwide flood that did indeed cover the highest of the highlands. This view was falsified long ago and some of the falsifications are discussed in threads that are linked to the OP. IIRC You have posted on some biogeography in the Philipinnes that falsify the claim that all of the world was underwater at one time. The flood of Noah as a worldwide event that deposited much of the geologic column and fossil record is a central tenant of YEC. Without it YEC has no explanation for the existence of multiple layers of sedimentary rock and a fossil record that indicates to science that a succesion of different life forms have lived on earth over vast stretches of time.
When you are talking about the world as we know it you must still be allowing great ages for the world that was before the world as we know it based on what you have posted before. In any case I don't think the world was so different between ice ages, except that some pretty different animals were around. Namely the pliestocene megafauna were around up until after the end of the last ice age and of course animals were very different millions of years ago. The climate was probably less stable before the last few thousand years and of course continents were in different places hundreds of millions of years ago. Whatever you think about the last ice age the earth as a planet has been around far more that 13,970 years.
Now maybe some Young Earth Creationist who believes that the flood of Noah covered all of the earth even the highest mountains and somehow deposited much of the geologic column and fossil record would like to comment on all the unrefuted falsifications of that viewpoint that have been posted on the unrefuted thread or give an actual explanation of the massive salt deposits that are found between layers of supposed flood deposits.
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Young Earth Creationism claims that the earth is 6000 to 10,000 years old and that most of the world's sedimentary geology was deposited by a worldwide flood that did indeed cover the highest of the highlands.
Maybe they are purists. They can not accept that there was a world here before the one we are now living in. So they try to do mental gymnastics to fit the old world somewhere into the modern world we live in. Sort of like sowing a new patch onto an old garment.
Whatever you think about the last ice age the earth as a planet has been around far more that 13,970 years.
Yes, but I am a dispensationist. I beleive one age or era ends, before a new one begins. Everything has to build on what was here before. The old has to end, for the new to begin.
John 12:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.
1 Cor. 15:36
Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
Since we have a new crop of YEC around I thought I would bump this thread. Can any YEC explain how massive amounts of water evaporated to deposit salt during a worldwide flood. The only creationist responders the first time were John who is not YEC and dayton who IIRC turned out to be troll who was only mascarading as a YEC.
So where is the YEC "interpretation" that allows for the evaporation of enough water to deposit trillions of tons of salt in various places around the world in the middle of a global flood? I first posted this last August and we still haven't seen any YEC explanation for all that salt.
I am YEC, I am also OEC. I believe that both are true. The world that was here before, up to the last ice age was destroyed. God created a new world at that time. There was a small remenant from the old world, that somehow survived over into the new.
John 12:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.
1 Cor. 15:36
Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
Actually the seed is alive. If it is killed it doesn't sprout. So Jesus got it wrong. Paul got it wrong. (So who was the foolish one?) Or at least the Bible misquoted them. If we can't believe Jesus why should we believe Genesis?
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Actually the seed is alive. If it is killed it doesn't sprout. So Jesus got it wrong. Paul got it wrong. (So who was the foolish one?) Or at least the Bible misquoted them. If we can't believe Jesus why should we believe Genesis?
Have a nice day!
OK, now would some YEC who believes that the global flood deposited some significant (though never identified exactly) portion of the earth sedimentary geology like to try to tell us where all that salt came from?
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Originally Posted by Gracchus
Actually the seed is alive. If it is killed it doesn't sprout. So Jesus got it wrong. Paul got it wrong. (So who was the foolish one?) Or at least the Bible misquoted them. If we can't believe Jesus why should we believe Genesis?
Have a nice day!
Well, Im not sure why its worded that way.....
Except that part of the seed obviously does get buried and dies and the germ then comes to life........
Precisely what happened to Christ...
The shell (the body) DIED, and was put into the ground but His Living Spirit (the germ) did not...
So Jesus got it wrong. Paul got it wrong. (So who was the foolish one?)
I would say your the foolish one. For a christian to say that Paul and Jesus got it wrong is the epitome of absurdity. Peter tells us that your taking things that are difficult to understand and twisting them to your own destruction.
2 Peter 3:15-16
and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, [16] as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
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