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John, are you saying that there are no animal fossils below the salt layers, just plant fossils?
There are going to be fossils below the salt, because there use to be something living in that ocean. Then when the ocean evaporated the salt was left. I mean by ocean that the great lakes use to be a salt water. Right now they are kind of a chemical sesspool. They are filled with industral waste and in some cases raw sewage.
I use to go fishing in Lake Erie when I was a kid. Then one year we went to go fishing and all the fish were dead on the shore. Over the years they have managed to get the pollution down enough that the fish can live in there again now. But it is still not safe to swim in. Last I heard it has been quite a while now sense the river has caught on fire.
There are going to be fossils below the salt, because there use to be something living in that ocean. Then when the ocean evaporated the salt was left. I mean by ocean that the great lakes use to be a salt water. Right now they are kind of a chemical sesspool. They are filled with industral waste and in some cases raw sewage.
even before the first three days of creation? birds and stuffweren't around til day 5, and animals weren't there til day 6. even plants weren't around until after he had already made dry land and so on.
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The Sumerian city of Ur "was founded ...at some time
in the 4th millennium BC ... by settlers thought to have been from
northern Mesopotamia, farmers still in the Chalcolithic phase of culture.
There is evidence that their occupation was ended by a flood,
formerly thought to be the one described in Genesis."
- Encyclopaedia Britannica, "Ur".
even before the first three days of creation? birds and stuffweren't around til day 5, and animals weren't there til day 6. even plants weren't around until after he had already made dry land and so on.
The organisms that make up the organic deposits were much more simple. They had a simple skelton, but that was about it.
What point are you trying to make anyways? I do not question that there are huge deposits of organic material. Limestone(chalk), Oil, Coal. Then you have a lot of sand that took time to make, you have the salt deposits. All things that had to have taken time to form. I just do not see how they could be formed overnight.
The organisms that make up the organic deposits were much more simple. They had a simple skelton, but that was about it.
What point are you trying to make anyways? I do not question that there are huge deposits of organic material. Limestone(chalk), Oil, Coal. Then you have a lot of sand that took time to make, you have the salt deposits. All things that had to have taken time to form. I just do not see how they could be formed overnight.
Geology is strong evidence for an older earth.
you were suggesting that maybe the salt was laid down in the first three days though. it can't have been in this case.
Originally Posted by JohnR7 (post #18)
The salt around the great lakes area was most likely formed during the first three days of creation.
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you were suggesting that maybe the salt was laid down in the first three days though. it can't have been in this case.
"With the coming of the Paleozoic Era, most of central North America was flooded again and again by marine seas, which were inhabited by a multitude of life forms, including corals, crinoids, brachiopods and mollusks. The seas deposited lime silts, clays, sand and salts, which eventually consolidated into limestone, shales, sandstone, halite and gypsum."
The kind of sea life that you are thinking about did not come about until the forth day. That would be AFTER the salt deposits were formed. This would be half way though the PALEOZOIC period. So that the Paleozoic period actually makes up the third and the forth day that we find in the first chapter of Genesis.
This is all pretty basic, I think your just to lazy to do your research.
There was no paleozoic or "650 million years". God Created the earth in six 24 hour days 6-10,000 years ago.
650 million years or 24 hours does not change what happened. The events remain consistaint. They only thing that changes is the amount of time you think it took for this event to take place.
In this case it means you believe that all the water in the great lakes evaporated and left salt deposits up to 6000 feet thick in 24 hours. That is a lot of evaporation to take place in a 24 hour period of time.
It must have been a very interesting 24 hour day, because there are many layers to the salt, with different things mixed in with the salt at different layers.
Now if you were to say that a day in Genesis is 1000 years in length. Then at least you have a little bit bit of time for the water to evaporate and the salt deposits to form.
The salt was not directly deposited by the Flood, but it was left in some areas after the water evaporated.
There was no paleozoic or "650 million years". God Created the earth in six 24 hour days 6-10,000 years ago.
The problem is that the salt layers are interspersed between layers that supposedly are flood deposits and not on top of all flood deposits as the should be if your claim were correct.
This is true both in Michigan and in North Dakota and in many other places around the world. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
It would require water about 10,000 feet deep to evaporate to produce a 400 foot thick salt layer quickly enough to be in between other flood layers. This simply couldn't happen during a year that the entire earth was supposedly under water.
Now if you takes the "days" to be hundreds of millions of years and allow natural evaporation to produce the salt and restrict Noah's flood to the Middle East as JohnR7 does then these particular problems go away as do problems with biogeograpy and varves and palesols and many other falsifications of the flood of Noah as a worldwide and recent event. Young Earth Creationism was falsied long ago and has been falsified over and over.
Young Earth Creationism was falsied long ago and has been falsified over and over.
Not exactly, you see you claim that your trying to falsify the world wide flood. Or more exactly, your trying to falsify that the highlands were underwater, because everyone seems to accept that the low lands, world wide were flooded. Ok, so lets say you accomplish your objective. Then all of a sudden you say: "Young Earth Creationism was falsied".
Now, what was your objective? To falsify the world wide flood, or was your objective to really falisify Young Earth Creationism? Because just to falsify a world wide flood does not falsify Young Earth Creationism. In order to do that, you have to falsify that the earth is YOUNG. But you say, I have all this evidence for an old earth. Yes, but what about the earth we know today. Even if there was a old earth, the earth we know today is very young. It began at the end of the last ice age about 14,000 years ago. Pretty much as the Bible says.
In fact, the Bible tells us about the old earth, and the young earth at the same time. That is why both theorys are true. Only I believe the days in Genesis represent 1000 years and are not a literal 24 hour day. The world as we know it today, has been around for about 12 to 14 thousand years. 13,970 years, to be exact.
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