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"worm burrows"
I thought worms needed damp places to inhabit,with lots of rotting vegetation seeping into the ground, certain worms of the marine variety need water to survive. so in such an arid and desert place how did they do this?why did their worm burrows not collapse in such dry sand dunes
Read it again Sam.

They were sand dunes that bordered on a sea so there was wet sand and dry sand.

Some of the most unusual and rare trace fossils in the world come from the eolian Coconino Sandstone. These ancient fossil sand dunes contain a record of a desert vertebrate and invertebrate fauna that lived near a large inland sea. This is the same sea that produced the wonderful carbonate beds of the Kaibab and Toroweap formations. Trace fossils include Merostomatid (spider), Scorpionid, Centipede trackways, possible euripterid tracks, and multitudes of a dog sized mammal like reptile foot impressions and trackways called Laoporis.We have also found tree bark impressions, worm burrows, wave ripples and raindrop marks. Gorgeous sweeping crossbedded units are common in this preserved sand sea (erg).

There are many kinds of worms that live and burrow in intertidal sand including lugworms and sand mason worms for example.
http://www.wirral.gov.uk/er/nwcp_intertidal.htm

Here is picture of some burrows from the Bright Angel Shale
http://www.psiaz.com/Schur/azpaleo/photmnth.html

Burrows and other evidences of bioturbation are common throughout the Grand Canyon Sediments. How did these burrow form in sediments that were supposedly transported into the area from long distances away by a worldwide flood?

Now how about explaining how animals made tracks in sand dunes by running up them as they were being formed in water 300 feet deep? How about explaining how there were any animals alive to make those tracks? How about explaining how insects made tracks in sand as it was being deposited from 300 foot deep water that had brought it from hundreds of miles away. How about explaining how water moving at a walking pace could carry 10,000 cubic miles of sand hundreds of miles and then spread it over thousands of square miles in a "few days"?

http://www.answersincreation.org/coconino.htm

Or how about just realizing that Snelling and Austin's scenario is totally absurd and shows that "flood geology" is completely bogus?

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Since the subject of the Grand Canyon has come up again I thought I would bump this superb example of the absurdity of "flood geology" in reference to the Grand Canyon.

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Bumped because the footprints in the Coconino sandstones have come up on another thread. Unfortunately some of the links in the OP don't work anymore but I think it does show just how ridiculous some "flood geology" claims are.

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all we need to verify the flood theory is ant snorkels and small manuals on "swimming for workers".
I doubt even then you could verify it.

As long as you call it a 'theory', you'll confuse the issue.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
I doubt even then you could verify it.

As long as you call it a 'theory', you'll confuse the issue.
You are right. The Global Flood is not a theory. It is long falsified hypothesis for explaining the world's geology in a young earth time.
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Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch View Post
You are right. The Global Flood is not a theory. It is long falsified hypothesis for explaining the world's geology in a young earth time.
I don't think it would matter if science could 'falsify' it or not; it would still be denied.

Science can't falsify Jesus walking on water, resurrecting from the dead, the parting of the Red Sea, or the burning bush story -- just to name a very few; but that won't stop scientists from saying, "it didn't happen".

This is why I think God had enough foresight not to leave any evidence lying around,* scientists would take that evidence and interpret it against Him.

* Assuming any was generated.
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I don't think it would matter if science could 'falsify' it or not; it would still be denied.
It would not be denied, scientists don't deny counter results. They have to be dragged sometimes but on the whole they are willing to accept when they are wrong. They are only human after all.

Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Science can't falsify Jesus walking on water, resurrecting from the dead, the parting of the Red Sea, or the burning bush story -- just to name a very few; but that won't stop scientists from saying, "it didn't happen".
You are right, those things are not naturalistic so they can not be explained by science. I think that a scientist would say it couldn't of happened via naturalistic methods. Atheists would say it didn't happen.

Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
This is why I think God had enough foresight not to leave any evidence lying around,* scientists would take that evidence and interpret it against Him.

* Assuming any was generated.
So your god doesn't allow anyone to look at the world that he created and come up with god did it? That is some mighty god lying to us.
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