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the page is startling evidence for the absurdity of Young Earth Creationism.
It is incredible how shoddy creationist research is, the ridiculous model they propose would be a lame even if it came from someone who didn't know the first thing about geology.
anyway here is a geological map of Clark County Nevada area that shows an outcrop of the Coconino Sandstones: http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/of0318.pdf (2.7mb)
Note that YEC geology not only fails utterly to explain the sandstone (or any other formations in the area) but also fails to explain the faulting observed in the rocks or the appearance of the present day landforms.
It is incredible how shoddy creationist research is, the ridiculous model they propose would be a lame even if it came from someone who didn't know the first thing about geology.
anyway here is a geological map of Clark County Nevada area that shows an outcrop of the Coconino Sandstones: http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/of0318.pdf (2.7mb)
Note that YEC geology not only fails utterly to explain the sandstone (or any other formations in the area) but also fails to explain the faulting observed in the rocks or the appearance of the present day landforms.
It doesn't seem to matter to the YECs how shoddy their alleged geologists are with their research. They still claim legitmacy because they have a small handfull of "real" geologists who are YECs. The Snelling-Austin nonsense about the Coconinos is a clear example of how bogus "flood geology" really is.
Bumped for DURANGO. This is flood geology at its best. Small animals making tracks in sand dunes that they are running up to escape the very flood water that is depositing those selfsame dunes.
What they are proposing is similar to this...take the top 315 feet of the entire state of New Mexico, run water over it, and in a week, it will be in Texas!
Even if the sand was just lying there, ready to be moved, it would still fall far short of being able to move that much sand. Why? They cannot exceed 5.5 feet per second, or else they won’t get the cross-bedding that is evident in the Coconino Sandstone.
The thickest crossbeds in the Coconino are about 30 feet. Even assuming all beds were equal, at 315 feet thickness, that’s more than 10 layers. You can’t do this process in a matter of a few “days” as the authors suggest! The author’s are actually proposing that a 30 foot tall sand wave can be moved over 400 miles in less than a week, with a current of only 5.5 feet per second. In a matter of a few days, a single sand wave, under ideal conditions, would be lucky if it were to manage a move of greater than one mile…400 miles isn’t possible. And they have to move at least 10 of these sand waves!
Imagine this…at milepost 0, the water starts moving. The first water current carries thousands of grains over the edge of the sand wave, and continues going, leaving the advancing sand wave far behind, until that first current is 5 days away, or 400 miles away…but the sand wave is 399 miles behind, as it slowly advances. In a few days (which the authors propose) you probably can’t get even one 30-foot wave of sand to move more than a mile! And somehow, the authors expect the average reader to believe this model!!!
Of course that part of the model goofy as it is strain credibility less than believing that small animals and insects made tracks that got preserved by running up sandunes as they were forming in 300 foot deep water (see the OP) or even that any animals were around to make tracks after several thousand feet of sediments had been previously deposited in an area with no conceivable high ground for them to be surviving on.
Another quote from Neyman's page with some emphasis added.
I will say this though...for the first 40 days of the Flood, it rained. The water was on the earth a total of 375 days. There are seventeen strata shown in the Grand Canyon diagram, and they must be deposited in 375 days. In other words, they must average 22 days of deposition per layer! In order to prove this, their model must account for this, and not just the isolated example they try to give for the Coconino Sandstone. They know they cannot prove this, so they try to trick the reader into believing a small portion, in the hopes that the reader will "assume" the rest!
Meanwhile AiG is raking in millions to keep spreading this kind of nonsense and to keep building their bogus museum. I guess the moral is that no YEC organization ever went broke by overestimating the gullibiity of their followers.
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
Since DURANO is still repeating the absurd notion that the Coconinos with their animal tracks, raindrop impressions and insect tracts are flood deposits I am bumping this again in the probably vain hope that he will realize how ridiculous Austin's claims are.
It's not only the Coconino trace fossils that falsify the flood. The hermit formation also contains mudcracks, raindrdrop impressions, salt crystal traces and centipede tracks:
While I am bumping threads I thought I would bump this one to try to disabuse any one of the false notion that AiG's brand of "flood geology" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) makes any sense at all.
Geology, especially stratigraphy, always seems to find YECs suddenly engaged in pressing business elsewhere.
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