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Old 9th August 2003, 03:09 PM
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Massive Volcanic events and earth impact catastrophies falsify young earth creationis

This subject has come up on some other threads so I thought I would give it a thread of its own.

Large igneous provinces

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~polsen/nbcp/lipmc.html
Figure 3.3.3.1: Global LIPs, including oceanic plateaus, volcanic passive margins, continental flood basalts, submarine ridges, seamount groups, and ocean basin flood basalts.

Such as the deccan traps which are more than 6000 feet thick and cover 200,000 square miles.
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...ia/deccan.html

and had temples carved in them nearly 2000 years ago.

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...a/deccan2.html
are found in many places around the world.

When did these flow out? The Deccan and Siberian traps and Columbia River basalts do not contain pillow lava so they did not flow out under water. Was there even time for them to flow out preflood? Could lava 6,500 feet thick have flowed out post flood and cooled enough by 200 BC, to allow the carving of temples?

Glenn Morton shows that the sulfuric acid alone from these massive eruption would have killed off most life on earth.
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/acid.htm

What about explosive Super volcanoes? The Toba supervolcano 75,000 years ago was 10,000 times the mount St. Helens eruption. Yellowstone Park sits on the caldera of an ancient supervolcano that last erupted about 600,000 years ago.
http://www.cave.be/SPECIALSSUPERVOLCANOES.html
The animals buried at Ashfall Nebraska 10,000,000 years ago were killed by ash from a supervolcano in Idaho.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0200/..._0102.html</a>

Then there are earth impacts. This data base lists 167 known impact craters by size.

http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDataba...meterSort.html

Note that 20 of them are 40 km or more in diameter and 5 are more than 100 km in diameter. The Sudbury crater is 250 km in diamter and the Vredefort crater 300. Both are significantly bigger than the Cicxulub impact which is thought to have led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

How did any life survive if all these catastrophies, massive lava outflows and supervolcanos and huge impacts all occured in 6,000 years of earth history? Why is there no historical record of any of these events? The supervolcanoes and massive impacts would have darked the sky and led to many years of very cold weather all over the earth. I would think someone would have noticed. Do you really think life on earth could have survived if all these catatastrophies were really crammed into a 6000 year period? We keep hearing over and over that YEC look at the same evidence and just intrepret it differently. Is there any YEC interpretation for these data that allows hundreds of millions of years of catatastrophies to be collapsed into 6000 years and allows our survival?

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Come on YECs. Where's your interpretation?
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Hahaha, go easy on em!

I fear this one will end up like your biogeography thread. Unanswered and not even so much as an attempt to refute it.

You really seem to kick their *** on this stuff you find, keep up the good work >=D
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The impact crater that made the Gulf of Mexico would have blotted the skies for decades and probably killed the majority of air breathing life on the planet.
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maybe everyone was in the middle easy hiding under the metallic hydrogen firmament with their vegitarian Tyrannosauruses and friendly polar bears.

sorry for dragging such an excellent OP to this level, but I doubt there will be any debate here
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That had to have been the funniest misspelling ever.
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OK, I'll bite.
  • The so-called "calderas" from supposedly ancient volcanos, may have actually been "the fountains of the deep" that were opened during the Flood.
  • The craters could be from three sources: actual meteor impacts, the "fountains of the deep", and as the result of God creating the earth fully mature.
  • The animals at Ashfall were probably killed by a volcano, but it was not anywhere near 10,000,000 years ago. God Created the earth 6,000 years ago and nothing could have happened before then.


I'm sure evolutionists will ignore these points, and call them "false" and "lies".
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OK, I'll bite.
  • The so-called "calderas" from supposedly ancient volcanos, may have actually been "the fountains of the deep" that were opened during the Flood.
They may have, except then why doesn't the flood myth mention anything about the millions of tons of lava that would've flowed out of these volcanos?
  • The craters could be from three sources: actual meteor impacts, the "fountains of the deep", and as the result of God creating the earth fully mature.
1: Certainly a possibility
2: Unlikely, considering my previous response. Plus you have nothing to back this up except that you want ti to be true
3: Making God into a liar again? Didn't we dance these steps on the "age of the Earth" thread?
  • The animals at Ashfall were probably killed by a volcano, but it was not anywhere near 10,000,000 years ago. God Created the earth 6,000 years ago and nothing could have happened before then.
If we accept the infallibility of Bishop Ussher, which nobody does.
I'm sure evolutionists will ignore these points, and call them "false" and "lies".
Well, to your credit, you got one thing right.
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Originally Posted by Dayton
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I'm sure evolutionists will ignore these points, and call them "false" and "lies".
Considering you continually try to make God out to be a deceiver in His Creation, it's not surprising people would call you on it.
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Originally Posted by Dayton
OK, I'll bite.
Good for you for taking a shot at it at least. Most threads of this type are ignored.

  • The so-called "calderas" from supposedly ancient volcanos, may have actually been "the fountains of the deep" that were opened during the Flood.
Unfortunately, you will have to show the flood to be possible before you can use this. Still, if we assume it is possible (which it isn't, but that is a matter for another thread) then this does not explain all the igneous rock found in the areas that marks them as this could only be formed by lava outflows that did not happen at the time of the flood.

  • The craters could be from three sources: actual meteor impacts, the "fountains of the deep", and as the result of God creating the earth fully mature.
I think that a crater caused by meteorite impact would look very different to one caused by subterraenean water deposits ejecting their contents. Also, a water ejection on the scale required to create a crater the sise of a major meteor impact would have devastating consequences for many years. (centuries, I think, someone help me out here)

  • The animals at Ashfall were probably killed by a volcano, but it was not anywhere near 10,000,000 years ago. God Created the earth 6,000 years ago and nothing could have happened before then.
A supervolcano eruption in the last 6,000 years would have rather major effects on our lives today, such as, for instance, removing them.

I'm sure evolutionists will ignore these points, and call them "false" and "lies".
We dont ignore, we falsify. If we do appear to ignore it is because the argument has been tried many times before, or comes from mrdino.com, and we are all to sick of it to face typing out the same counters again.
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