Massive Volcanic events and earth impact catastrophies falsify young earth creationis

It could be that it's reality that is biased against your beliefs.

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We are men, not gods. The choice therefore is not between the wisdom of man and the wisdom of God, but between man's wisdom and man's folly. If we reject the former, we will surely fall into the latter.

This line, regarding geological facts, by Kitsap Girl...

"Nope, not ignored just mulled over for a while. I just don't see any facts that aren't biased." - KG

...is both hopeful and dismaying. She is willing (or indicates so) to consider the presented facts, but judges them all to be biased.

That second part seems to be a common theme of Creationists: they appear to have a concept of science as having an agenda which is deliberately deceptive in nature. It's hard (for me) to imagine that people can go through life without having at least a few friends who are geologists or biologists, and harder still to imagine that you would consider them part of a conspiracy to falsify reality purely in order to undermine your religious faith, but staunch Creationists seem to do this without even considering the consequences of this belief with regard to these friendships, let alone reality.

Perhaps I'm speaking from a privileged position, living in a less populous area, where you can't help but know a variety of people - fewer of your own ilk to choose from.

I think a "mature created Earth" view has merit. The Bible says that Gods ways are higher than our ways. Maybe he'd have good reason to make the universe (recently) with the apprearance of history.

And as for that making God deceptive (or at least secretive), why not? The bible speaks many times of God allowing people to be deceived for various reasons.

God does not deceive. It's us people who deceive ourselves. The geology and evolution that we see, (and can be tested) the long age of the earth and creative variety of life that evolution gives us are not a deception of God. They are reality. It's OK to love God and at the same time accept as truth the creative forces of geology and a very old earth and of evolution. To do so does not lesson ones faith in God one bit.

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The moral of the story being: Don't trust God.

Quite an education... isn't it?

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"We must abandon the prevalent belief in the superior wisdom of the ignorant." – Daniel Boorstin

"Ignorance should NOT be tolerated just because it's cloaked in religion."
-Phred

"Creationists can't all be right but they can all be wrong."
-Frumious Bandersnatch

Why? Why does the earth need zircons with lead in them in order to be mature? Why does a mature earth require meteors with loads of argon in them?

Since God is a deceiver, why should we trust anything the Bible says?

So who is being deceived? The creationist or the evolutionist?

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“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)

Could you give us a quick explanation of how a "fountain of the deep" causes a caldera that looks exactly like one from a volcanic eruption? You know - with lava and everything. The point is not the calderas themselves, but the lava that obviously flowed out of them. I say "obvious" not because I think, "well, there's a massive caldera so obviously, there must have been lava" but because we can see it with our own eyes. That much lava, those scale explosions would have killed anything in the path, and caused massive extinctions afterwards due to global cooling.

If you say God created the earth fully mature, then you are admitting that the earth looks old. You're now treading not on dangerous ground, but have actually been sucked into an epistemological quagmire. If God's a deceiver, why do you believe other pieces of evidence he gives you? Why do you believe a book, written and translated by fallible men, over the actual world he presented to you? If you don't believe the world, why would you believe the book - which is something given by the same God who was apparently trying to deceive you with the craters.

Oh, and you need to work out what fountains of the deep actually look like, because volcanic calderas are not the same as meteor craters. A "fountain" even an explosive one, could produce neither.

Quick question: how can we both ignore something and simultaneously respond to it by calling it false? By the way, top marks for guessing that we'd say you're wrong. But to be honest, it's a bit obvious really, isn't it? You say the earth's 6,000 years old, non-creationists are pretty likely to disagree, don't you think?