Massive Volcanic events and earth impact catastrophies falsify young earth creationis

This rests on the assumption that a global flooding event occurred when there is no supporting evidence nor enough water on earth for it to occur. Where is this water now and why does the geologic record clearly show that an event such as this did not occur? Why is there no evidence of such a massive amount of water under the earth to start with?

Furthermore, they aren't "supposedly" ancient volcanoes; they are. There is no denying the vast flood basalts from continental rifts. If they weren't a result of tectonic activity and rather from these unsubstantiated "fountains of the deep" the basalt wouldn't be there in the first place. Of course there is the significant problem of the gasses and heat released from these events over such a short time that YECists can't explain either.

No, they can only be from actual meteor impacts. That is what the evidence dictates.

And as for this creating the earth "fully mature" argument, it's ridiculous. First, it implies that a 4.55 billion year old earth is completely indistinguisable from a 6000 year old earth and it makes your deity the "author of confusion." Also, there is a difference between creating an earth "fully mature" and creating an earth that has evidence of being acted upon by various processes over billions of years. For instance, there is no sense in putting meteorite impacts on an earth if they didn't really occur. That is deception.

It's like saying Adam was created with a bent nose from being broken, a bald spot, a broken arm, a few burn scars, and memories of a childhood that never actually happened. There is evidence of a broken nose, of being burned, and events that happened before his creation. But supposedly they would not have happened. That is what you are essentially saying about earth.

Earth has evidence of a variety of processes having acted on it. A fully mature earth does not require features like angular unconformities or thick limestone deposits or oceanic crust that records changes in magnetic anomalies over time. Really, what we should see if it was a "fully mature" earth, are igneous rocks all the same age, an oceanic crust magnetized by a magnetic field with no polarity reversals, very little sedimentary rock--if any, and certainly no meteorite impacts. All of those features give evidence of PROCESSES acting on the earth. What you are saying is that those processes didn't actually happen. Earth might as well have been "created" yesterday including us with all our memories intact.

The fact is, all evidence on earth does not substantiate the claim that it is only a few thousand years old.

False. The earth is much older than 6000 years old. Your claims are just a distraction from the fact that you cannot substantiate your claim that it is 6000 years old, so excuses are made such as processes not actually happening, but there is evidence of them anyway. It's nonsensical. Either provide evidence, or there's no reason to take that claim seriously.

You have it reversed. The creationists do the ignoring. Calling your claims "false" is not the same as ignoring them. They are false because the evidence dictates this--not because we need them to be false or are trying to ignore them. However, with YECists, the evidence presented by geologists, biologists, and paleontologists are flat out distorted or ignored by organizations like AiG and ICR. That is, they do NOT even include certain pieces of information in their analyses because they throw out what they don't like. THAT is what it means to ignore evidence.

Dayton,

At least you tried. However you attempt to explain away this huge problem with YEC falls well short of the mark.

The flood basalts in the large igneous provinces are not so-called.


A portion of the Deccan Traps
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...ia/deccan.html

All of Yellowstone Park is the caldera of an ancient supervolcano. It has erupted at about 600,000 year intervals. One edge of the park is beginning to rise and it will probably erupt again in the next 50,000 years or so since it is overdue.

http://www.solcomhouse.com/yellowstone.htm

As others have pointed out it is quite easy to indentify craters. One way is by looking for glass that was formed by the shock of the impact.

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/sharpton.html

Ashfall resulted from the eruption of a supervolcano in Bruneau Jarbrige eruptive center in Idaho about ten-twelve million years ago that deposited a thick layer of ash in the area even though it was 1600 Km away.

http://ashfall.unl.edu/ashfallstory.html

There is also ash in the area from an eruption of the yellowstone supervolcano that is 50 feet thick and ash from many other volcanic eruptions.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/LivingWith..._nebraska.html

One way that we know supervolcanoes have occured is by the thick layers of ash they deposit often over thousands of miles. This is how we know that the Toba eruption 74,000 years ago was about 10,000 times the size of the Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980 and was one of the largest in the last 2 million years.

http://www.volcanolive.com/supervolcano.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...olcanoes.shtml

BTW if you have ever seen volcanic ash you would know that is very light and fluffy. It takes time to settle through air and a lot of time to settle through still water. The uniform ash layers that are found in many places could not have formed during the chaos of a worldwide flood that was rearranging all the world's geology and the total magnitude of ash from all the supervolcanoes that have erupted over millions of years shows they could not have all happened in the last 6000 years without having serious consequences for life on earth. At least someone should have noticed.

Of course we have not ignored them. We have analyzed them and found them to be either incorrect or totally inadequate to solve the problem. It YECs who ignore data as we see documented in thread after thread on this board.

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there goes the whole of the US by the looks of it.

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No comments on one of the flaws of the appearance of age nonsense other than a lying deity either?

Well I think that Henry Morris attributed the craters on the moon to a war between Satan the Angels but I don't think that works too well for all the craters on earth.

At least these guys with their lying Omphalos type God are not making any claim that their is any science to back them up. I think the people at ICR and AiG who claim that the features of the world can actually be explained by flood geology using science irritate me more.

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~malaka~

Great thread Bandersnatch. Those carvings are wonderful. Disappointed by the lack of creationist arguments though.

Clarify.

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what red herring would that be? how about answering some of the questions rather than vague accusations of poor debating tactics.

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