OEC (old earth creation)

Vance · #41 18th August 2003, 12:23 PM

But, John, the problem is that men have varied in their interpretation of Genesis 1 throughout the history of the Church. It is not as if there is one accepted and proven interpretation which all Christians agree is correct.

Yes, the Bible is the cornerstone. And I believe that the cornerstone concept is "Hey, I created all of this, and I did it for a reason. Now listen up to what I have to say . . ."

Remember Geocentrism and tread carefully.

JohnR7 · #42 18th August 2003, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Vance

But, John, the problem is that men have varied in their interpretation of Genesis 1 throughout the history of the Church. It is not as if there is one accepted and proven interpretation which all Christians agree is correct.

Well, then we got a lot of work ahead of us don't we? Jesus is not going to return for His Bride before we are all of one mind and one accord.

That may not happen with Dr. Dino though. As likeable as he is, he is still into conspiracy theorys. To me that is a red flag that he will be going into the tribulation period and that he will not be joining us. Unless something were to happen to bring about a change with him.

Vance · #43 18th August 2003, 01:36 PM

Does being "without spot or wrinkle" mean without disagreement? If it does, I doubt the Second Coming will ever take place!

But seriously, on these particular issues, it took the Church a good long while to come to agreement on heliocentrism (I think the "official" recognition didn't come from the Pope until the late 1800's and I remember some Pentecostal tracts still asserting Geocentrism in the 60's!), so I am not surprised the Old Earth and Regional Flood are taking a while to reach consensus.

Achichem · #44 18th August 2003, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by JohnR7

Of course we know that Adam and Eve were very recent, and did not come along until 6000 years ago. Again, this pretty much lines up with what science tells us, that civilized man came on the scene about 6000 to 10,000 years ago. Only of course they feel man evolved, rather than that God created man. Or some believe in theist evolution.

I don't know if this has been adress yet, but

Adam and eve are not necessarily very resent, you see... It talks about them in the garden and remember they at that time had infinite life. I don't know maybe I missing something here (haven?t read that part of genesis in awhile). But do you really know how long they where in that garden?

Vance · #45 18th August 2003, 02:45 PM

Correct. Also, I think it says that he was created outside the garden, then placed inside of it. The garden was not created at the beginning of the creation process, so most of God's creation was existing *outside* of the garden. What was going on out there while Adam and then Eve were inside the self-contained paradise? Obviously not paradise, or there would be no purpose in the separation of a specific garden area.

Then Adam was sent back out *into* the world outside the garden. That "outside" was not just created at that moment, it had obviously been there all throughout and included all that God had created other than what was in the garden (which, following the creation timeline, means everything except Man).

Nathan Poe · #46 18th August 2003, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by JohnR7

Well, then we got a lot of work ahead of us don't we? Jesus is not going to return for His Bride before we are all of one mind and one accord.

Well, that's not going to happen until somebody rounds up all the non-believers and puts them up against the wall.

That may not happen with Dr. Dino though. As likeable as he is, he is still into conspiracy theorys. To me that is a red flag that he will be going into the tribulation period and that he will not be joining us. Unless something were to happen to bring about a change with him.

As likeable as Dr. Dino may seem, he is still a complete and utter quack. I think that might be a slightly bigger problem than his conspiracy theories.

JohnR7 · #47 18th August 2003, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Poe

Well, that's not going to happen until somebody rounds up all the non-believers and puts them up against the wall.

First God will gather together His church. Then He will deal with the skeptics and the scoffers.

Arikay · #48 18th August 2003, 05:38 PM

How nice.

so, in the mean time, do you have anything besides god threats?

JohnR7 · #49 18th August 2003, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Vance

What was going on out there while Adam and then Eve were inside the self-contained paradise? Obviously not paradise, or there would be no purpose in the separation of a specific garden area.

Cain was a little bit worried about it, when he had to leave Eden. He was worried that someone was going to kill him.

Genesis 4:14
Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."

Then Adam was sent back out *into* the world outside the garden. That "outside" was not just created at that moment, it had obviously been there all throughout and included all that God had created other than what was in the garden (which, following the creation timeline, means everything except Man).

They were driven out of the Garden in Eden, but they were not driven out of the Land of Eden. I think that life was better in Eden then what it was out in the world. But not as nice as it was in the Garden of Eden.

Vance · #50 18th August 2003, 05:39 PM

What about one segment of His Church which is skeptical of doctrines propounded by another part of His Church (such as YEC's who are skeptical of OE's and TE's and vice-versa). Come to think of it, I think that would include just about all of Christianity. Probably includes a lot of scoffers as well. I know a lot of leading YEC's (including Hovind) who make a good living out of scoffing at the beliefs of other Christians.

The point is that we are all part of the Church, no less so because we hold differing opinions on matters that do not effect our own salvation.