OEC (old earth creation)

Because light already covered the Earth, and was divided between the day and the night. The only difference being, the light didn't have a natural source (sun) until later.

The "obviously inaccurate things" things of science? There is not much we can do about that. Science is man made, so there is going to be a lot of error and inaccuracy in it. We just have to work with it as best we can. Of course we know the Bible is inspired by God, so that helps to elimate the inaccuracy we find in science.

man made? inaccuracies, what do you mean?

and inspired or not, the bible is man made.

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John, I was talking about the twisting of Bible verses. Did you actually misread my post? Or did you do it on purpose?

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do you need to ask? you know you won't get an answer.

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Oh, well I know the Bible is accurate, but you say you were talking about man's interpretation of the Bible not being accurate? I suppose there maybe people who are weak in the faith who do not fully grasp the deep things of God.

but im sure you do.

The bible is not accurate in science. But those that try to pretend the bible is a science book, have to either ignore scripture or twist it to try and make it correct. Often pulling vague verses and giving complex scientific meaning to them.

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Let us say for arguement sake that you have 200,000 books with information about geology and only one Bible. Now, you can not expect one book to contain all the information that your going to find in two hundrerd or even three hundred thousand books.

So then you could ask, what is the value of the Bible? The value is that the Bible is the corner stone, it is the standard to gage the truthfulness of all 300,000 books on geology.

When you build a building, no matter how BIG that building is, there is always going to be a "cornerstone". A point in that building where you establish plumb and level. Everything in that building goes back & relates to that cornerstone. For us, the Bible is that cornerstone that sets the standard.

You can question the skill of the builders. But just because the builders lack skill, does not mean the cornerstone was not properly set. If you question the ability of those who interpret the Bible, that does not mean that the standard the Bible sets is not accurate.

Nice post John! It was clear and understandable AND actually made a point.

The next question I have then is: If the Bible is the supposed "Cornerstone of Science", what exactly are scientists supposed to plumb up to? The contention many scientists (and Christian ones at that) have with this line of reasoning is that they find no evidence of useable or accurate scientific data in the Bible.

I believe, JohnR7, that you truly believe there is (or desire greatly for it to be there. I think this desire stems from your want to participate in a field of study where you are underqualified or just plain not good: science). Your hope that much of science is just as made up as your interpretations of the Bible in this area is your weakness. Scientists don't just make it up as they go along. This is something YOU seem to do to get the Bible to jibe with what is known about our physical world.

This has been said many times on these boards John: The Bible addresses theological and spiritual things, NOT scientific things. It never will.

Thank you, if you like the cornerstone example, perhaps you would like to read what Jesus had to say about it:

Luke 20:17b
'The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone'?

1 Peter 2:4-5
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, [5] you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Why don't you look at all of Paul teaches on this subject. Don't say: John said this or John said that. Why don't we look at what Paul has to say about it. You want us to study up on science. Well, this is a Christian board so you should do a little bit of study in the Bible. Here I will give you the whole passage on this:

1 Cor. 2:3-9
I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. [4] And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, [5] that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
[6] However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. [7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, [8] which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But as it is written:

"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

1 Cor. 2:10-16
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. [11] For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. [13] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [14] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. [16] For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Yes, as you judge me, so I will judge you. Study the Bible so you will be qualified to comment on it.

That is just not true at all. I do not think your looking at the Bible, you must be looking at the traditions of man. The Bible talks about natural things. But it is the Spirit of God that is our teacher.

James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

God will liberally give wisdom to those who ask. Not just wisdom about spiritual things, but also wisdom about natural things. How do you think Noah knew how to build a Ark, if God had not showed him how? God will show you the pattern.