OEC (old earth creation)

There was light on the first day. Now where do you think that light came from, if it did not come from the sun?

I think what you forget is how simple the Bible is to understand. So simple a child could understand it. In fact in our sunday school we begin to teach them at one year of age. At that age they esp. like the music and the marching around and making motions with their hands.

Conclude what you want. But if the cause is not listed, then I would go looking for the effect. Perhaps these things are a part of something that is listed. For example, before we had animals, we had to have oxygen. So there were plants to create the oxygen, long before the animals came along. When things happen in stages, then something has to happen in the stage before, to allow the next event to occur.

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You need to study up a little bit more on those plants. They were a bit more simple and basic than the plants you see today. This was before the Garden in Eden, and before there was a man or a women to appreciate a delicate little flowering plant.

So are you saying that plants have evolved a lot since their original creation?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Wow, I thought everyone that posted here knew me. I guess we can not assume anything. I do not even believe in micro evolution. I do not believe in ANY of man's evolutionary theory. I believe in the Bible, and I believe in the word of God.

I believe that God created each biodiverse ecology system unique onto itself. In the case of Eden and the Garden of Eden, His plan was for Eden and it's entire Biodiverse Ecology to expand and to fill the world. But Adam and Eve fell into sin.

Rather than to destroy everything and start all over again, God came up with a plan of redemption and restoration. The day well come when this fallen world will be restored and the Earth will become a Paradise. Not only will the Earth be restored, but also we believe the entire solar system will be restored.

Outside of Eden the next ecology sytem that was comparable was the Great White Mountains in Lebanon. It is known today for it's skiing industry. They do have a ecology minded government there, and some of the Great Cedar Tree's of Lebanon that we read about 3000 years ago are still there. Some of them are 2000 years old.

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So John are you saying that God is continually creating new species? Do you think He sent the asteroid that helped finish off the dinosaurs and then started creating large eocine mammals and then wiped them out and created the next set of animals and so on? Whenever new species appear do you think that God just popped them into being?

Why do you think God created humans with the same endogenous retroviral insertions and pseudo genes with the same errors as chimpanzees?

How do you explain the fossil succesion from mammal like reptiles to mammals?
http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm
Did God create each on in series just to make it look like they had evolved?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

The Frumious Bandesnatch

John, is the 1st image there a distraction? it is an excellent edbate tactic if it is, though I do believe it could be some form of logical fallacy.

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Not really, Eden had Eve. A biodiverse ecology is a whole ecology. We only read about Lebanon in the Bible, but we read about Ethiopia in the Bible and science talks about it. Moses was married to a women from Ethiopia. The Queen of Sheba was from this area. This is said to be the crown jewel of Africa. Oh, wait! I got one from Ethiopia also

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You see, the problem is that science has knowledge, but no understanding. You will have to seek after widsom and understanding if you want to understand. But up to now all you seem interested in is to obtain knowledge. Not your fault I am sure, that is a lot the way our education system works in this country. It is going to take you time to grasp the concept, but I think that you will get there.