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Old 21st March 2007, 01:22 AM
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Christ Evidence for the blood being the congealed light of God' Glory...?

I agree with Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland that man's blood is congealed light. I further agree that Jesus now has the Glory of God flowing through His veins. Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland apparently agree on this point.

What I'm looking for is two things.

1. More scriptural support that man's blood is congealed light and that Jesus has the Glory of God flowing through his veins.

2. Any scientific studies, setatements by doctors, etc, that ther is scientific eviden that man's blood is congealed light.

"Gwen Shaw and the End-Time Handmaidens and Servants

“Scientists lately have been making an extensive study about blood because they saw there is something peculiar and supernatural about blood. They have come to this conclusion: that blood is congealed light. It is light that has become solidified. In other words, in the body of man there are veins and these veins are flowing with a red substance which is none other than light. Light that has mystically become congealed.” (ibid, pg. 106)"

"The Day the Glory Invaded Hell by Kenneth Copeland

Now that you've caught a glimpse of the awesome power of the glory of God, think about Jesus for a moment. He not only has that glory resident on Him, He has it flowing in Him. That's right! His resurrected body has the glory of God flowing through its veins instead of blood.

Jesus is filled with and surrounded by the glory and all that it is. All life. All goodness. He is untouchable by death ever again. He walks in all authority both in heaven and in earth with all spiritual and physical authority.

Everything that man has and everything that God has all rolled up into one Being with the glory of God flowing in His veins–that's Jesus. And we are destined to be conformed to His image. We're headed toward the same fullness of glory! That's why Jesus died for us. That's why He was raised again–so He could bring many sons unto glory! (Hebrews 2:10).

Ever since the beginning, God created man to be glorious. Psalm 8:5 says that when God made man, He "...crowned him with glory and honour." Adam and his wife were crowned with the glory of God when God created them. That doesn't mean they had silly gold circles floating over their heads. It means Almighty God laid His hands on the crowns of their heads and flooded them with His glory.

From Adam's first conscious day as a living soul until the moment that he sinned, he never laid eyes on his physical body. He was clothed from the inside out by the glory of God. His body was protected by it. He could walk through the Garden of Eden without anything harming him.

But when he bowed his knee to Satan, the light within Adam went out. The source of the glory was quenched. All the rest of his spiritual qualities were still there. He was still a spirit. He had a soul and lived in a body, but the glory of God had departed from him.

That's what spiritual death is. It's being separated from the life and glory of God.

If Jesus hadn't come to redeem us, all mankind would still be hopelessly trapped in that spiritually dead, glory-deprived condition. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). But, praise God, Jesus took our sin on Himself and bore the penalty of it-which was spiritual death.

I've had ugly books written about me because I said that Jesus died spiritually, but the fact is, I didn't say that–the Bible said it. Jesus became our substitute. If he hadn't died spiritually, then we could never have been made alive spiritually. But He did!

On the cross, Jesus was separated from the glory of God. He allowed Himself to be made sin for us, and He became obedient to death. He went into the pit of hell and suffered there as though He was the One Who had committed the sin.

But He didn't stay there. After three days, He was made alive in the spirit by the glory of God!

On that day, God's absolute, utmost goodness invaded the pit of absolute, utmost badness–hell itself–and surged into Jesus' emaciated, sin-filled spirit. The glory of God re-created Him and made Him the firstborn from the dead. All the sin, sickness and demons of hell had to bow their knee and turn Him loose, because they couldn't stand the presence of the glory! "

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Old 21st March 2007, 11:07 AM
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nope i don't quite think this is right.

it's hard to explain spiritual things using our language; our efforts to put into words the spiritual things we are seeing and experiencing are poor at best. it is like we 'know' spiritually, but something is lost (or cannot be fully expressed) in the translation to human speech, even though we do our best to try.

As a result i think we increasingly use metaphores to describe what something spiritual is 'like' in the natural, but not meaning that they are one in the same thing. And the more we understand the spiritual, the less easier it is to describe it in the natural.
so i would say that describing the Glory of God as seen in Jesus and attributing that to blood that was 'congealed light', would be a metaphore.

if i were to describe the same thing, i would say that the glory of God as seen in Jesus was more like pure energy which could not be confined by the outward form of a human being. now that's quite different from "congealed light", and yet it expresses the same thing.
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nope i don't quite think this is right.

it's hard to explain spiritual things using our language; our efforts to put into words the spiritual things we are seeing and experiencing are poor at best. it is like we 'know' spiritually, but something is lost (or cannot be fully expressed) in the translation to human speech, even though we do our best to try.

As a result i think we increasingly use metaphores to describe what something spiritual is 'like' in the natural, but not meaning that they are one in the same thing. And the more we understand the spiritual, the less easier it is to describe it in the natural.
so i would say that describing the Glory of God as seen in Jesus and attributing that to that was 'congealed light', would be a metaphore.

if i were to describe the same thing, i would say that the glory of God as seen in Jesus was more like pure energy which could not be confined by the outward form of a human being. now that's quite different from "congealed light", and yet it expresses the same thing.
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nope i don't quite think this is right.

it's hard to explain spiritual things using our language; our efforts to put into words the spiritual things we are seeing and experiencing are poor at best. it is like we 'know' spiritually, but something is lost (or cannot be fully expressed) in the translation to human speech, even though we do our best to try.

As a result i think we increasingly use metaphores to describe what something spiritual is 'like' in the natural, but not meaning that they are one in the same thing. And the more we understand the spiritual, the less easier it is to describe it in the natural.
so i would say that describing the Glory of God as seen in Jesus and attributing that to blood that was 'congealed light', would be a metaphore.

if i were to describe the same thing, i would say that the glory of God as seen in Jesus was more like pure energy which could not be confined by the outward form of a human being. now that's quite different from "congealed light", and yet it expresses the same thing.
My doctor's wife told me she had read in one of he husbands medical journals that there has been scientific research which supports the proposition that human blood was one real light which had for some reason been congealed. I can't find the article and my I my family doctor's wife is deceased. Gwen Shaw is the only person who I can find who makes reference to a scientific study. I have heard Copeland talk about this and I almost certain that he also used the term congealed light. I believe that the light of God's glory would be superior to light as we know it because the ability light in our Universe is by physical laws whereas the Glory of God would have no limitations.

Anyway, somewhere out there, there is some scientific research on the subject and I want to have a look at it if that is possible.
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Awesome post! That was worthy of snagging for my group! I've never heard our blood was congealed light before! Vewy intewesting.
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ok, thanks for the info, and yep i'm the party pooper.
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ok, thanks for the info, and yep i'm the party pooper.
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Speaking strictly from a scientific basis...

Light is a form of energy-- it is actually the spectrum of energy waves visible by the human eye. It contains no matter at all.


A liquid, of any kind, consists of matter.

A liquid can "congeal", which literally means to become solid.
1 : to change from a fluid to a solid state by or as if by cold
2 : to make viscid or curdled : COAGULATE
3 : to make rigid, fixed, or immobile
In essence, something "congeals" when it quits moving.

However, energy, including light, cannot "congeal". If energy waves are either "slowed down" or "speeded up" they are still energy waves. A light wave that is "speeded up" become ultraviolet, x-rays, etc depending on how fast it is moving. A light wave that "slows down" becomes infrared (or heat). If the wave continues to slow down, it simply loses that "amount of heat" that you have, as you reach absolute zero. In other words, "congealed light" is "absolute zero"--or "coldness/darkness". It is not any form of matter-- including blood.
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Speaking strictly from a scientific basis...

Light is a form of energy-- it is actually the spectrum of energy waves visible by the human eye. It contains no matter at all.


A liquid, of any kind, consists of matter.

A liquid can "congeal", which literally means to become solid.In essence, something "congeals" when it quits moving.

However, energy, including light, cannot "congeal". If energy waves are either "slowed down" or "speeded up" they are still energy waves. A light wave that is "speeded up" become ultraviolet, x-rays, etc depending on how fast it is moving. A light wave that "slows down" becomes infrared (or heat). If the wave continues to slow down, it simply loses that "amount of heat" that you have, as you reach absolute zero. In other words, "congealed light" is "absolute zero"--or "coldness/darkness". It is not any form of matter-- including blood.
Light contains pariticles which are matter. Now how would you know wheathr or not God's Glory can congeal or not? Did you run an expeirment? Could I see the results? Maybe you should read this.


Light and matter united Opens the way to new computers and communication systems

By William J. Cromie
Harvard News Office


Lene Hau has already shaken scientists' beliefs about the nature of things. Albert Einstein and just about every other physicist insisted that light travels 186,000 miles a second in free space, and that it can't be speeded-up or slowed down. But in 1998, Hau, for the first time in history, slowed light to 38 miles an hour, about the speed of rush-hour traffic.

Two years later, she brought light to a complete halt in a cloud of ultracold atoms. Next, she restarted the stalled light without changing any of its characteristics, and sent it on its way. These highly successful experiments brought her a tenured professorship at Harvard University and a $500,000 MacArthur Foundation award to spend as she pleased.

Now Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics and of Applied Physics, Hau has done it again. She and her team made a light pulse disappear from one cold cloud then retrieved it from another cloud nearby. In the process, light was converted into matter then back into light. For the first time in history, this gives science a way to control light with matter and vice versa.

It's a thing that most scientists never thought was possible. Some colleagues had asked Hau, "Why try that experiment? It can't be done."

In the experiment, a light pulse was slowed to bicycle speed by beaming it into a cold cloud of atoms. The light made a "fingerprint" of itself in the atoms before the experimenters turned it off. Then Hau and her assistants guided that fingerprint into a second clump of cold atoms. And get this - the clumps were not touching and no light passed between them.

"The two atom clouds were separated and had never seen each other before," Hau notes. They were eight-thousandths of an inch apart, a relatively huge distance on the scale of atoms.

The experimenters then nudged the second cloud of atoms with a laser beam, and the atomic imprint was revived as a light pulse. The revived light had all the characteristics present when it entered the first cloud of atomic matter, the same shape and wavelength. The restored light exited the cloud slowly then quickly sped up to its normal 186,000 miles a second.
Communicating by light

Light carries information, so think of information being manipulated in ways that have never before been possible. That information can be stored - put on a shelf, so to speak - retrieved at will, and converted back to light. The retrieved light would contain the same information as the original light, without so much as a period being lost.

Or the information could be changed. "The light waves can be sculpted," is the way Hau puts it. "Then it can be passed on. We have already observed such re-sculpted light in our lab."

A weird thing happens to the light as it enters the cold atomic cloud, called a Bose-Einstein condensate. It becomes squeezed into a space 50 million times smaller. Imagine a light beam 3,200 feet (one kilometer) long, loaded with information, that now is only a hair width in length but still encodes as much information.

From there it becomes easier to imagine new types of computers and communications systems - smaller, faster, more reliable, and tamper-proof.

Atoms at room temperature move in a random, chaotic way. But when chilled in a vacuum to about 460 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, under certain conditions millions of atoms lock together and behave as a single mass. When a laser beam enters such a condensate, the light leaves an imprint on a portion of the atoms. That imprint moves like a wave through the cloud and exits at a speed of about 700 feet per hour. This wave of matter will keep going and enter another nearby ultracold condensate. That's how light moves darkly from one cloud to another in Hau's laboratory.

This invisible wave of matter keeps going unless it's stopped in the second cloud with another laser beam, after which it can be revived as light again.

Atoms in matter waves exist in slightly different energy levels and states than atoms in the clouds they move through. These energy states match the shape and phase of the original light pulse. To make a long story short, information in this form can be made absolutely tamper proof. Personal information would be perfectly safe.

Such a light-to-matter, matter-to-light system "is a wonderful thing to wrap your brain around," Hau muses.
Details of the experiments appear as the cover story of the Feb. 8 issue of Nature. Authors of the report include graduate student Naomi Ginsberg, postdoctoral fellow Sean Garner, and Hau.
In a practical manner

You won't see a light-matter converter flashing away in a factory, business, or mall anytime soon. Despite all the intriguing possibilities, "there are no immediate practical uses," Hau admits.

However, she has no doubt that practical systems will come. And when they do, they will look completely different from anything we are familiar with today. They won't need a lot of wires and electronics. "Instead of light shining through optical fibers into boxes full of wires and semiconductor chips, intact data, messages, and images will be read directly from the light," Hau imagines.

Creating those ultracold atomic clouds in a factory, office, or recreation room will be a problem, but one she believes can be solved. "The atomic clouds we use in our lab are only a tenth of a millimeter (0.004 inch) long," she points out. "Such atom clouds can be kept in small containers, not all of the equipment has to be so cold. Most likely, a practical system designed by engineers will look totally unlike the setup we have in our lab today."

There are no "maybes" in Hau's voice. She is coolly confident that light-to-matter communication networks, codes, clocks, and guidance systems can be made part of daily life. If you doubt her, remember she is the person who stopped light, converted it to matter, carried it around, and transformed it back to light.
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