Perhaps the miracles are completely true?

Michali · #1 4th August 2003, 11:40 PM

I'm beginning to feel that I mustn't limit God to his own laws of science. If then he did create everything, then he must be able to do whatever he wants. If you accept that there is a God, you accept that all things are possible. Whether people choose to accept this is a matter of choice. Or in my belief, a matter of life and death.

Suddenly I now realize the fact of my faith. Theism is the representation of all that is impossible. Science cannot prove nor disprove a theory that believes that all things are possible. Through theism we can prove that something is possible because of this. If this is so, let us believe what is written so we might not limit an almighty God. We must remember that he is impossible to impress without faith. Jesus was actually in awe of a human with great faith.

If this is true, then trying to prove a miracle from God is futile. His reasoning behind not providing evidence? To find who is faithful and wise? Also, it is futile to prove that a miracle never occured through God. It is impossible to say that an all-possibility being cannot do something. All this is true only if you believe in the God.

I am not saying that a miracle is impossible to prove with scientific discovery. I am only saying we as christians should not alter a miracle into anything less than miraculous.

Alessandro · #2 4th August 2003, 11:42 PM

True.

revolutio · #3 4th August 2003, 11:48 PM

Like i have said before the whole omnipotent god thing makes for a very frustrastring rebuttal to any arguement.

pudmuddle · #4 5th August 2003, 12:47 AM

I agree, well said

goat37 · #5 5th August 2003, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Michali

I'm beginning to feel that I mustn't limit God to his own laws of science. If then he did create everything, then he must be able to do whatever he wants. If you accept that there is a God, you accept that all things are possible. Whether people choose to accept this is a matter of choice. Or in my belief, a matter of life and death.

Suddenly I now realize the fact of my faith. Theism is the representation of all that is impossible. Science cannot prove nor disprove a theory that believes that all things are possible. Through theism we can prove that something is possible because of this. If this is so, let us believe what is written so we might not limit an almighty God. We must remember that he is impossible to impress without faith. Jesus was actually in awe of a human with great faith.

If this is true, then trying to prove a miracle from God is futile. His reasoning behind not providing evidence? To find who is faithful and wise? Also, it is futile to prove that a miracle never occured through God. It is impossible to say that an all-possibility being cannot do something. All this is true only if you believe in the God.

I am not saying that a miracle is impossible to prove with scientific discovery. I am only saying we as christians should not alter a miracle into anything less than miraculous.

You have deliberately put God outside of any human comprehension and thus makes it impossible to debate or rationalize. Until this invisible, omniscient, omnipotent being does something that proves his omniscience and omnipotents, it's rational to assume that he doesn't exist.

I could make the same argument you made for an invisible leprechaun trying to steal me lucky charms and you couldn't prove it wrong because it by nature cannot be contested.

Truncate · #6 5th August 2003, 01:21 AM

If miracles exist, and do happen, why are they never (succesfully) put to scientific scrutiny?

http://www.randi.org/ = Offering a 1.1 million dollar challenge, for any paranormal activity that is allowed to be watched/tested by them.

Philosoft · #7 5th August 2003, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by goat37

I could make the same argument you made for an invisible leprechaun trying to steal me lucky charms and you couldn't prove it wrong because it by nature cannot be contested.

Moreover, any particular supernatural explanation for any event carries as much explanatory weight as any other. God's revelation is just as likely to be Loki's trickery.

Freodin · #8 5th August 2003, 06:20 AM

The basic paradox of the God-concept:
You try to talk about an unlimited concept - but talking about something always limits the concept.

Talking about something means that you can define what you are talking about - if you cannot define it, your words are just empty sounds.

JohnR7 · #9 5th August 2003, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Freodin

The basic paradox of the God-concept:

God is not a concept to us. He is a manifestation in our lives. He maniifests His life, health, healing, love and faith into our life and into our hearts. Christians have fellowship, one with another, because we all have the same love of God dwelling in our hearts.

JohnR7 · #10 5th August 2003, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Truncate

If miracles exist, and do happen, why are they never (succesfully) put to scientific scrutiny?

That is a good question. I can not answer for science, but my guess would be that they are not interested in the things of God to examine them. I know the miracles and the healings are very real, why science does not want to document them, I do not know. I suppose you will have to ask them. Of course at this point in time with the new laws about how you have to keep medical records private, I would think that pretty much will tie up their hands in this matter.