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4th August 2003, 01:10 AM
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Reps: 6,731 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by prince didymus People all believe in different things and this is what I believe in and I would not even consider that I was evolved from a lower species. No way.
At least you're honest. This is why creationist claims can often not be taken seriously because they are purely arguments from emotion rather than logic. Creationists insist that their theory is necessarily true for no other reason other than they want it to be true. |
4th August 2003, 01:16 AM
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Reps: 6,731 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 The Bible sets the standard as to what is true and what is false.
It's not a very good standard at all considering the widely varied disagreement on what it's real "truth" is.
There is zero evidence that your claim is true and it's just an empty argument from authority. People tend to get it backwards and think that the Bible has to live up to the standard science sets, when in reality, in the real world, science has to live up to the standard that the Bible sets.
In the real world, if reality does not match the claims that people make from their interpretation of a religious text, then those claims must be wrong.
Science has been shown to be the most reliable measure of what cannot be true and what is the most logical explanation given all available facts. Science deals with facts. If science wants to make a claim to be true, then they have to stand the word test. Their so called "truth" has to line up with God's divine truth that we find in our Bible.
Except of course, Christians don't actually know what that truth is otherwise there would not be so many contradictory disagreements. It's a useless standard, and to use it as one is doing nothing but using circular logic and unsubstantiated assertions. Your claim has as much validity as a Muslim saying that the Qur'an is the only standard for truth and all claims must stand up to that text.  |
4th August 2003, 01:19 AM
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Reps: 133 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mechanical Bliss At least you're honest. This is why creationist claims can often not be taken seriously because they are purely arguments from emotion rather than logic. Creationists insist that their theory is necessarily true for no other reason other than they want it to be true.
Emotion? Even if emotion is there logic is right there beside it. Evolutionists have yet to prove this (and I mean display an chimp, monkey whatever I don't which they use) and show me the animal evolving into a human.
But wait they must have an explanation of they stopped evolving right? Wouldn't it be sweet to hear that one. :rolleyes: |
4th August 2003, 01:28 AM
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Reps: 24 (power: 0) | | | The reason we believe in creation is because God says we're special, and not in an arrogant way. Plus to me it takes more faith to believe in evolution's big bang theory. Think about it when did order ever come out of any explosion? You watch the news. You see plenty of "big bangs" on the news. When has any of them resulted in order and everything working just the way it does right now so perfectly?
The God I believe in is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He created the universe in a literal six days. He could have done it all in a day, or an hour, or a minute if He wanted to.
His word says, "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?" (Jeremiah 32:27)
Believing in a God that can do anything is easy for me when I read statements like that in His word.
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4th August 2003, 01:31 AM
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Reps: 24 (power: 0) | | The reason we believe in creation is because God says we're special, and not in an arrogant way. Plus to me it takes more faith to believe in evolution's big bang theory. Think about it when did order ever come out of any explosion? You watch the news. You see plenty of "big bangs" on the news. When has any of them resulted in order and everything working just the way it does right now so perfectly?
The God I believe in is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He created the universe in a literal six days. He could have done it all in a day, or an hour, or a minute if He wanted to.
His word says, "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?" (Jeremiah 32:27)
Believing in a God that can do anything is easy for me when I read statements like that in His word.
Those who are truly seeking the creationist account of how the world began would do well to visit Kent Hovind's web site. He has a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can prove to him that evolution is true. No one yet has been able to claim that money. Check out his claims at: http://www.drdino.com/
Sorry about the double post, I thought I hit the edit button of my first post to add the Kent Hovind info.
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4th August 2003, 01:31 AM
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Reps: 6,731 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by prince didymus Emotion? Even if emotion is there logic is right there beside it.
Then why have there been no logical arguments presented? You even admitted that you could never accept the theory of evolution for a reason that was purely emotional, not rational. Evolutionists have yet to prove this (and I mean display an chimp, monkey whatever I don't which they use) and show me the animal evolving into a human.
There is no such thing as proof in science. Furthermore, that's nothing but a strawman representation of what evolution actually is, so don't expect a primate to magically turn into a human right before your eyes. But wait they must have an explanation of they stopped evolving right? Wouldn't it be sweet to hear that one. :rolleyes:
Since when has evolution stopped? |
4th August 2003, 01:33 AM
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Reps: 133 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mechanical Bliss Since when has evolution stopped?
You mean to tell me monkeys are still evolving into humans? 
....yeah..right.. :rolleyes: |
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Reps: 6,731 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by Totally Transformed Plus to me it takes more faith to believe in evolution's big bang theory.
There is no such thing as "evolution's big bang theory." The theory of evolution and the big bang theory are mutually exclusive theories. The veracity of one does not depend on the other and they are completely different concepts. Think about it when did order ever come out of any explosion? You watch the news. You see plenty of "big bangs" on the news. When has any of them resulted in order and everything working just the way it does right now so perfectly?
Nice strawman :rolleyes:
I'd hardly consider this system to be one that works "perfectly" in any case. |
4th August 2003, 01:36 AM
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Reps: 6,731 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by prince didymus You mean to tell me monkeys are still evolving into humans?
....yeah..right.. :rolleyes:
Yes, evolution does occur at present and we observe it. Apparently you do not understand the theory of evolution, however, and intend to reproduce the same, tired strawman arguements like this one. |
4th August 2003, 01:39 AM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Totally Transformed Those who are truly seeking the creationist account of how the world began would do well to visit Kent Hovind's web site. He has a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can prove to him that evolution is true. No one yet has been able to claim that money. Check out his claims at: http://www.drdino.com/
His offer has not been met, because his offer is bogus. It's set up in a manner such that it cannot be met.
talk.origins has a detailed write-up about what's wrong with his offer: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind.html
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