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Smart answers would only make you look more foolish.
And yet, I'm not the one looking foolish here. Funny thing, that.
I did learn about evolution.
Apparantly not.
Because I learned, so I have that conclusion.
You learned poorly, so you have an erroneous conclusion.
Evolution has a direction, if it ever happened.
You've had this explained to you, but you don't listen.
When you see the life tree (?), you know that has to be the conclusion. There is no other way to explain it.
Except for the ways you've refused to listen to.
Why don't we evolve back to apes?
Because we are apes, juvi.
Why don't Eskimos start to grow white furs and skin fat like that of the polar bears?
Because they kill the furry creatures and the polar bears and wear their fur and fat instead, making such evolution unnecessary.
You see, juvi, if you actually had learned about evolution, you'd know that it's a slow process, in which 99.9% of life doesn't make the final cut. Why sit around waiting for evolutionary/miraculous changes when it's quicker/easier/far less fatal to go out and do it yourself?
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Because they kill the furry creatures and the polar bears and wear their fur and fat instead, making such evolution unnecessary.
Who said it is unnecessary to evolve? If only wearing animal furs can resist the environmental elements, why don't you go there and see if you could live there the same as you are now? I bet you will evolve. The reason that Eskimos do not evolve is because there is simply no evolution.
You tell me what kind of dramatic environmental change which push apes toward human? Was it more dramatic than moving to the polar area? Is that particular environmental pressure gone now? (by the way, YOU are ape, I am not)
Environment on the earth changed back and forth and there has been no new environment on the earth for billions of years . But everything evolved "forward". Do you know why?
If multiple-cell life is not better than single-cell life, then why does it appear and developed more and more? When a multiple-cell life encountered bad environment, why does it not to evolve back to single-cell life to deal with the environment?
Of course we are better life form. Do you like to evolve back to early human? What is wrong with that evolution?
1. I'm going to have to ask you what you mean by "better"?
2. Evolution is not a conscious choice. It just happens due to natural mutations. Guided by nothing but the laws of physics, which right now we cannot predict. That's why we don't develop the ability to... say... generate food out of thin air, even though that would be very beneficial to our survival.
3. There would be no benefit in our evolution back to earlier species of the genus homo. We have more useful technology, faster brains, and a very defined social structure that earlier humans would struggle to keep up with.
4. You say "you will evolve." You are aware that evolution takes place in populations, not individuals, right?
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Juvenissun, Northern peoples have indeed evolved various physical adaptations that have helped them thrive in extreme Northern climates.
Previous research on northern populations such as the Eskimo/Inuit has suggested that these groups display increased metabolic rates, perhaps reflecting an adaptation to the extreme cold of their arctic environments. Our work among indigenous Siberians has shown that these groups show elevated resting metabolism as well as high levels of energy expenditure associated with subsistence activities. Moreover, it appears that these elevated resting metabolic rates may have a genetic component, since indigenous Siberians have higher metabolic rates than non-indigenous Russians living in the same communities. Our work further indicates that these distinctive metabolic profiles are a product of alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism.
Everything evolves 'forward' because there's no other option. The individual lives to reproduce, or it dies without reproducing. There are many successful offspring or few.
[quote=juvenissun;52224918]Who said it is unnecessary to evolve? If only wearing animal furs can resist the environmental elements, why don't you go there and see if you could live there the same as you are now? I bet you will evolve. The reason that Eskimos do not evolve is because there is simply no evolution.
You tell me what kind of dramatic environmental change which push apes toward human? Was it more dramatic than moving to the polar area? Is that particular environmental pressure gone now? (by the way, YOU are ape, I am not)
Environment on the earth changed back and forth and there has been no new environment on the earth for billions of years . But everything evolved "forward". Do you know why?[/quote
Are you seriously under the impression that anyone thinks iit takes a "dramatic environment change' to cause evolution?
No new environment on earth for billions of years????? You just made that up. And it makes no sense at all... tho, i suppose with enough special definitions, any statement can be made "true".
You do know that eskimos live in houses, eat microwave food, go to college, and so forth? or did you think they live out on the polar ice and seals?
If only wearing animal furs can resist the environmental elements, why don't you go there and see if you could live there the same as you are now? I bet you will evolve.
Into what? An Eskimo? If I lived in Africa, would you bet I'd turn black?
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The reason that Eskimos do not evolve is because there is simply no evolution.
Are you suggesting that eskimos are unevolved?
You tell me what kind of dramatic environmental change which push apes toward human?
Who said it was dramatic? It was gradual.
Was it more dramatic than moving to the polar area?
Eskimos have been living in polar areas for thousands of years.
Is that particular environmental pressure gone now?
Yes it is -- Civilization and technology have reduced the selective pressure of the environment to almost nil.
Had you actually studied evolution, you'd know this.
(by the way, YOU are ape, I am not)
I'm sure that will be very comforting to the apes. What do you think you are?
Environment on the earth changed back and forth and there has been no new environment on the earth for billions of years. But everything evolved "forward". Do you know why?
I know that as long as you think there is "no new environment" you'll never get it.
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To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
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Last edited by Philothei; 6th July 2009 at 06:32 PM.
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Hey, I don't believe I've posted here before. (Right off the bat, please note that I am very ignorant of the science of evolution.) I thought of this briefly a while ago and didn't get back to it until now. I'd like to ask, if either Christians or non-Christians would like to speculate or answer. It's a short question, I think:
Short, maybe. Simple... another story.
When we read in the Bible that Christ died for men, would we say that it applied also to previous evolutionary states, like the Neanderthal? If not, then what if our present evolutionary state (Homo sapien) evolved once more--would we still say that Christ died for even the previous evolutionary state--the one that said that He did not die for the one before it? And if that is the case, how far back in the evolutionary line could it be?
If you're going to try to reconcile the Christian story of salvation with modern science, consider this -- Christianity states that all of creation suffered as a result of man's fall. Now, wouldn't it then stand to reason that God's plan for reconciliation would necessarily include all of creation in its redemption?
IOW, does Christ's sacrifice at the cross only serve to cover human failings, or is it part of the larger plan to reconnect all of creation back to the Creator?
(Just because the Bible says Christ died for "men," doesn't mean -- well, you get the idea; ask any woman)
Or is it only those that can have faith? If we accept that human babies and the mentally handicapped might be saved, on account of their inability to have faith, though they would if they could, then what about previous evolutionary states?
Did Christ die for a select few, or for everybody?
Just some thoughts... and a hello.
Thoughts are always welcome -- and hello back.
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To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
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Into what? An Eskimo? If I lived in Africa, would you bet I'd turn black?
Really, Juvi, you claimed to have learned evolution, and then you go off on stuff like this. Sad, really, and completely unhelpful to people like the OP who actually do want to learn.
Are you suggesting that eskimos are unevolved?
Who said it was dramatic? It was gradual.
Eskimos have been living in polar areas for thousands of years.
Yes it is -- Civilization and technology have reduced the selective pressure of the environment to almost nil.
Had you actually studied evolution, you'd know this.
I'm sure that will be very comforting to the apes. What do you think you are?
I know that as long as you think there is "no new environment" you'll never get it.
You see, juvi, this is what happens when you pretend to know evolution for no other reason than to attempt to discredit it. False witness is a sin, in case you care.
It would be so nice if we ever had someone on here who had some sort of realistic informed ideas that constituted an actual challenge to evolution as we understand it.
Fake footprints, fake degrees,s fake arguments. The Truth with god and all reality on its side ought to be able to do better than that at least once.
1. I'm going to have to ask you what you mean by "better"?
2. Evolution is not a conscious choice. It just happens due to natural mutations. Guided by nothing but the laws of physics, which right now we cannot predict. That's why we don't develop the ability to... say... generate food out of thin air, even though that would be very beneficial to our survival.
3. There would be no benefit in our evolution back to earlier species of the genus homo. We have more useful technology, faster brains, and a very defined social structure that earlier humans would struggle to keep up with.
4. You say "you will evolve." You are aware that evolution takes place in populations, not individuals, right?
I know all the arguments you intend to engage. What I am talking about is one level above those. So, make your argument accordingly. (you may assume I know the answer of your question and press for the next one!)
I know all the arguments you intend to engage. What I am talking about is one level above those. So, make your argument accordingly. (you may assume I know the answer of your question and press for the next one!)
Actually, there is no such level. If you fail to answer my questions, I must assume you do not know the answer.
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