Christ's Death and Man's Evolution.

Juv sez....So far, nobody gave me any satisfactory answer. My answer to this question is still the best.

This question is the best for Theistic Evolutionist (TE). There are some good TEs in the Origin forum. People in this forum are mostly atheists. This question does not apply well to them, even there are some scientific factors involved. I don't think you can get much here, except from me.QUOTE/////////////


hespera sez..

Ok, juv, the platform is yours. Please give us some scientific data.

Hi Neal.
Your questions seem to be for the christian who believes in evolution, like say, any proper catholic. But unfortunately, the CrEvo section is more of a battle ground for the two extremes. Specifically made so there isn't collateral damage to the rest of the site. So you'll have a hard time finding moderates here and there won't be much discussion.

I personally don't buy the whole Jesus/sin thing, but from what I remember everyone prior to year 1 A.D. was out of luck, but then again, so were the hoards of people in China and Mexico in year 100 A.D. So no, he didn't die for monkeys.
Back when I was trying to find a place for my parent's religion in my world view, I figured that if you were a good person then you were ok in the afterlife. That if you lived as he would have wanted you to, even if you had never heard his name, he'd be hip. But if that doesn't jive with your current belief system, then go ahead and disregard.

Well sweet, so natural skeptics are off the hook? That's a fantastic idea.

Well that's very improbable, if not impossible. The evolutionary track that lead to homo sapiens is unique, it can't be done again. Something could definitely arise that acted like us, or looked, or was similar in other ways, but nothing would ever be H. Sapien other then H. Sapien. So even if a line of monkeys lost their hair, got smart, and learned to jog, they still wouldn't be human.... unless they could breed with us. I don't have the biological chops to know for sure, but the odds of that arising out of evolution are probably astronomical.

Sorry, but I'm obliged to give you crap. Evolution knows nothing. Don't personificate scientific principles, they hate that.

IT KNOWS in the same way that water KNOWS to take the shape of the cup that contains it.

Really, juvi, this is bad even for you.

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No, like creationist , you simply deny the facts.

Life does evolve toward a "better" direction. Otherwise, life should start to evolve back to bacteria long time ago.

Open your eyes. Don't let your faith fool you.

No, that's not how evolution works. But you know that, right? You're a scientist after all. Or is it "scientist"?

You keep projecting. It's annoying.

As for Ectezus answer, this is very similar to how i would have answered. To the op, this is your answer.

And who or what decides what's "better"? Evolution itself?
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To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper!
You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.

See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.

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juv sez...No, like creationist , you simply deny the facts.

Life does evolve toward a "better" direction. Otherwise, life should start to evolve back to bacteria long time ago.

Open your eyes. Don't let your faith fool you.QUOTE//////////////////////


Hespera sez... this would be excellent advice for those whose 'faith' has kept them from noticing that they dont have fact on on the side of "creaitonism".

i wonder if after a certain age and commitment to the wrong path a person is even capable of changing. some of my old 'red guard' relatives dont seem to be able to get over their maoist indoctrination. its kind of pitiful.

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Life doesn't evolve toward a "better" direction. Forms of the word "good" (psst... that measn words like "better" and "best") aren't even terms used in science because they are subjective.
Furthermore, life doesn't evolve "toward" anything. Individuals with beneficial traits tend to survive more than those without them. But that doesn't guarantee the emergence of beneficial traits, nor can anyone predict what those traits will be.

Evolution is not some rival entity to God. It is a process. It does not "know" anything.

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Live as though you were to die tomorrow.
Learn as though you were to live forever.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Are mammals "better" than reptiles? Are reptiles better than amphibians? Are we better than apes? Of course. Latter lives ARE better than earlier lives. If not, why do we have extinction?

If not, why don't we see evolution go backwards? What stops a croc evolve back to fish? Why can't we evolve back to ape? (I appreciate if can answer this one)

Do we have a bigger brain than other animals? Would our brain become bigger and bigger? Is that better? Of course it is better, if it happened.

I don't mind to have myself extremely embarrassed, if you can make me. Most likely, the more we talk about an issue, the more correct I become.