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View Poll Results: In which Creationist Camp do you stand?
Young Earth Creationism 32 65.31%
Day-Age Creationism 1 2.04%
Old Earth Creationism 11 22.45%
The Gap Theory 5 10.20%
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The KJV of the Bible is a beautiful, poetic version but it's not the most accurate. Anyone who questions that should read James White's book the King James Only Controversy. The errors are minor and shouldn't keep anyone from relying upon it. But in doing so, you're not getting the full message. Personally, I rely upon multiple translations and commentaries. My primary Bible resources are the NASB, NIV, HCSB, ESV and YLT. I especially like the way the Young's Literal translation translates the creation (recreation) account. (I became a Gap Theory proponent after studying the subject in my KJV with Dake commentary. I also believe the Day-Age Theory may also have some merit, but I haven't spent enough time studying the subject yet.) As for commentaries, I really like the Bible Knowledge Commentary and Unger's Commentary of the Old Testament. Anyway as a newbie, that's my two cents worth.
As a side note, consider light, especially the light of stars that has been traveling millions of years to get to our eyes. Would God deceive us as to the age of the earth? Never! Or consider the cosmic background radiation (CBR) that has been scientifically predicted by the Big Bang Theory and now detected proving the hypothesis. This would put the age of the universe as 19.8 billion years, give or take.
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I don't believe in any of those theories, I believe God created the universe in all it splendor and beauty. However, I don't believe the teachings of Genesis in the Holy Bible. I think I differ in this way from most christians on this forum. I believe the way God, all-knowing as He is, started the universe. I believe time is not an issue for Him, because He is all-knowing. Knowing all, means being able to predict every moment in time to come, because they result from previously happened circumstances, which He knows because He created them. I believe God started a chain reaction that eventually created all living things as soon as the circumstances were right, thus creating man in the time frame that needs man, and a time that man needs. With the best average temperature and with no animals that we cannot conquer (like Dinosaurs before we created guns). For God love all creatures that come from His creation. The problem with most creationist theories is that there was already an earth before He made earth and the universe. So when did He make the undifined pre-earth?

I qoute:
"I am a creationist and an evolutionist. Evolution is God's, or Nature's, method of creation. Creation is not an event that happened in 4004 BC; it is a process that began some 10 billion years ago and is still under way... Does the evolutionary doctrine clash with religious faith? It does not. It is a blunder to mistake the Holy Scriptures for elementary textbooks of astronomy, geology, biology, and anthropology. Only if symbols are construed to mean what they are not intended to mean can there arise imaginary, insoluble conflicts... the blunder leads to blasphemy: the Creator is accused of systematic deceitfulness."

So I am in essence a theistic evolution believer, However I believe that way because I believe god is all-knowing and thus does not need the concept of time.
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The problem I have with the gap theory is that God made the Sun and the Moon later for light, so most living things could not have existed before Adam, no flora and fauna, the gap theory could actually explain all the fossils, but I cannot see how these things could live without the Sun.

So I believe God made the creation in six days.

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Originally Posted by DominusLaetamur View Post
I don't believe in any of those theories, I believe God created the universe in all it splendor and beauty. However, I don't believe the teachings of Genesis in the Holy Bible. I think I differ in this way from most christians on this forum. I believe the way God, all-knowing as He is, started the universe. I believe time is not an issue for Him, because He is all-knowing. Knowing all, means being able to predict every moment in time to come, because they result from previously happened circumstances, which He knows because He created them. I believe God started a chain reaction that eventually created all living things as soon as the circumstances were right, thus creating man in the time frame that needs man, and a time that man needs. With the best average temperature and with no animals that we cannot conquer (like Dinosaurs before we created guns). For God love all creatures that come from His creation. The problem with most creationist theories is that there was already an earth before He made earth and the universe. So when did He make the undifined pre-earth?

I qoute:
"I am a creationist and an evolutionist. Evolution is God's, or Nature's, method of creation. Creation is not an event that happened in 4004 BC; it is a process that began some 10 billion years ago and is still under way... Does the evolutionary doctrine clash with religious faith? It does not. It is a blunder to mistake the Holy Scriptures for elementary textbooks of astronomy, geology, biology, and anthropology. Only if symbols are construed to mean what they are not intended to mean can there arise imaginary, insoluble conflicts... the blunder leads to blasphemy: the Creator is accused of systematic deceitfulness."

So I am in essence a theistic evolution believer, However I believe that way because I believe god is all-knowing and thus does not need the concept of time.
My biggest problem is that God said we are made to His likeness, so if I have to consider evolution, I also have to consider God was first an one cell organism and overtime became an ape and than a man.......to me that does not make sense. He made all types of living creatures and flora.....I will however accept adaptation of environment for mainly survival reasons, but that's it!

I am pretty sure God does not evolve......Jesus came to dwell as fully man and fully God.
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Amen Hawk007! Iam in full agreement with You on that But I have a question and I suppose I will get an answer to it but I would prefer a strictly Biblical one if I could . This is directed to all Who post on this thread, not just You Hawk, I would like to know how The Gene Pool remained strong enough to last this past six thousand years without making us all mentally Challenged or without having other physical defects of an extreme nature . Being all descended From Adam and Eve , just two people... Other than a direct miracle from God how may it have happened naturally?? May God Bless You all ....Dave
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Originally Posted by oneofchrists View Post
Amen Hawk007! Iam in full agreement with You on that But I have a question and I suppose I will get an answer to it but I would prefer a strictly Biblical one if I could . This is directed to all Who post on this thread, not just You Hawk, I would like to know how The Gene Pool remained strong enough to last this past six thousand years without making us all mentally Challenged or without having other physical defects of an extreme nature . Being all descended From Adam and Eve , just two people... Other than a direct miracle from God how may it have happened naturally?? May God Bless You all ....Dave
Hi,
I believe after Adam and Eve people became wicked and God only found one man who pleased Him, Noah. After that time God decided that people should not live so long and if I am correct He made it so that they should not live more than 120 years.(Genesis 6:3)
Incest was not a sin in those days, I believe God said we should procreate and fill the earth, I do believe that the genes would have been a lot closer to perfect in those times to minimize the risk of abnormalities, we now know with incest we have a good chance to have dysfunctions in babies. Incest became a sin after Moses if I am correct.

Now because of Adam and Eve we are from corruptible seed, not perfect anymore and as we see even the earth is starting to perish, therefore it is my belief that mankind will not be able to exist forever, because of their destructible nature. wars, etc.

The second Adam, Jesus, was perfect, impregnated by the Holy Spirit, perfect man and perfect God, I believe therefore that when we become a born again Christian we are of another gene, that of the Holy Spirit.....So the spirit man is born and clean in the eyes of the Lord as long as we live in Christ.(Hebrews 10:10-12)

You stated that the human kind remained strong, but have you had a look at the statistics when you made that point, I wonder if it is possible to find a person who has not ever gone to a doctor for some weakness/sickness/illness/etc? We are cash cows for the pharmaceutical companies my dear friend!

We live longer, because of the knowledge the medical field has achieved and the comfort humans live in, they do not have to fight or get their own food in the wild anymore, we just run to Burger Fair, etc.

The fact is life is a miracle, humans cannot produce that, and that God is in control. I believe God's plan is set out in the Bible and that we are in the end times before tribulation and the 1000 years of freedom.

Dave, who is in control of nature and the gene pool for that matter........when people say how is it done naturally, they think God is not part of it, but I believe He is and loves to bring forth His glory through nature!

All the best!
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Thank you for that Hawk007 You have explained it to Me as I have expected and as Far as Our weaknesses, well I just thought that We would all Be sort of be growing another head or an extra eyeball or something not to mention how after this amount of time that Our intellect would have to compromised. Not really trying to make fun But I've seen what weak Genes can do to people , but You Sir have given Me an answer that makes the most sense of any that I have ever heard and God Bless You and Thanks again....Dave
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Thank you for that Hawk007 You have explained it to Me as I have expected and as Far as Our weaknesses, well I just thought that We would all Be sort of be growing another head or an extra eyeball or something not to mention how after this amount of time that Our intellect would have to compromised. Not really trying to make fun But I've seen what weak Genes can do to people , but You Sir have given Me an answer that makes the most sense of any that I have ever heard and God Bless You and Thanks again....Dave
Hi Dave,

You are welcome, I just want to say that all the glory goes to the Father and I am a tool to do His bidding, I always pray that He is in control of my life and when I speak that He would be the instigator not myself. There are many questions which I myself would love to ask my Master, but what He gave me until now is more than enough to not change my bearing if I am confronted with the world, I am hooked for eternity!

Be blessed in the name of Jesus!
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The KJV of the Bible is a beautiful, poetic version but it's not the most accurate. Anyone who questions that should read James White's book the King James Only Controversy. The errors are minor and shouldn't keep anyone from relying upon it. But in doing so, you're not getting the full message. Personally, I rely upon multiple translations and commentaries. My primary Bible resources are the NASB, NIV, HCSB, ESV and YLT. I especially like the way the Young's Literal translation translates the creation (recreation) account. (I became a Gap Theory proponent after studying the subject in my KJV with Dake commentary. I also believe the Day-Age Theory may also have some merit, but I haven't spent enough time studying the subject yet.) As for commentaries, I really like the Bible Knowledge Commentary and Unger's Commentary of the Old Testament. Anyway as a newbie, that's my two cents worth.
As a side note, consider light, especially the light of stars that has been traveling millions of years to get to our eyes. Would God deceive us as to the age of the earth? Never! Or consider the cosmic background radiation (CBR) that has been scientifically predicted by the Big Bang Theory and now detected proving the hypothesis. This would put the age of the universe as 19.8 billion years, give or take.
Hi Faithman,

I would like to ask you a few questions..........
Did God create Adam as a fully grown man?
Would it be possible for God to create a tree that seems hundreds of years old in a twinkle of an eye?
So what we see as millions of years could be a few seconds for God right? Why, because God is outside of time.
I believe God had an overall plan and knew that we needed to understand that He created the universe in 6 days and rested on the seventh, just imagine how different our lives would be if it was not for that.......
I know that science who is probably 90% atheistic by now is seeking a substitute for God or to prove the necessity of God is a waste of time....but are we not to live by the unseen(faith)?

Example, I believe Jesus promised us that we ARE healed by His stripes, but lets say one has cancer according to the doctors, what must we as born again Christians believe is the truth, Jesus or the doctors? If we believe the doctors we die, if we believe Jesus we live! Is this not the reason why certain people gets miraculously healed from cancer?

Now to come back to science, I believe what they observe is facts, it is right there before their eyes, but I do not believe they have all the knowledge to explain everything, mostly theories are made. God could have created and old looking universe like He made an adult Adam(if he was created as a baby, how would he have survived, food, etc.)........if science observed Adam they would not have said he is a couple of days old would they?

Anyway, until all knowledge in the universe has been accumulated by science to make an informed decision, I believe the Bible to be the truth.

My 2 cents.......
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