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7th March 2007, 10:54 PM
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Reps: 1,345 (power: 8) | | Originally Posted by Joykins  For me it has been a sense of God's loving presence...
And how exactly do you get from that (almost magical and certainly nebulous) "sense" to being able to affirm each of the (very specific, detailed doctrinal) points of the Nicene Creed?
And do it in a way that still prohibits you from "sensing" the "loving presence" of some mumbo jumbo crystals? |
7th March 2007, 11:13 PM
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7th March 2007, 11:24 PM
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Reps: 7,463,217,375,786,638 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by IndyEllis And how exactly do you get from that (almost magical and certainly nebulous) "sense" to being able to affirm each of the (very specific, detailed doctrinal) points of the Nicaean Creed?
And do it in a way that still prohibits you from "sensing" the "loving presence" of some mumbo jumbo crystals?
I think part of it for me is what Jaroslav Pelikan said about the Symbol--what it does is link us spatially and temporally. On Sundays, I recite the same creed as a congregation in Manila and in Caracas and in Kiev. I recite the same creed as Justinian and Francis of Assissi and Martin Luther and Dorothy Day.
By affirming the Symbol, we are not taking a test of "I believe in God as the hypostatic union of three persons at this very moment." Rather, we are proclaiming our membership in the ekklesia that corporately believes this and has believed this for a millenium and a half.
I think any other use of the Symbol is an abuse.
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7th March 2007, 11:31 PM
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7th March 2007, 11:33 PM
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Reps: 7,463,217,375,786,638 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by IndyEllis Did you just say Doris Day?
Nah, that's the Canadian politician formerly known as Stockwell Day.  |
7th March 2007, 11:34 PM
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Reps: 76,196,551,593,728 (power: 76,196,551,611) | | Originally Posted by IndyEllis And how exactly do you get from that (almost magical and certainly nebulous) "sense" to being able to affirm each of the (very specific, detailed doctrinal) points of the Nicaean Creed?
And do it in a way that still prohibits you from "sensing" the "loving presence" of some mumbo jumbo crystals?
Jesus reached out of the gospels and grabbed me.
The rest came from there.
Laying aside the incarnation for a while, I can affirm the teachings of Jesus to be good and true. I can see how his interactions with others turned their lives around. I saw this pattern of subversion (the last shall be first, the greatest shall be a servant of all, the kingdom of heaven is made of the stuff of small children, to save your life you must lose it, love your enemies, resist not evil, etc. etc.).
Going another step out, the incarnation plays out the same inversion and subversion on a larger scale. God becoming one of us to suffer and die, not only for our salvation, but also to deal death a death-blow by surrendering to it. God dying the shameful death of a common criminal. The resurrection made available through death.
It fits in a way no crystal can.
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7th March 2007, 11:35 PM
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Reps: 76,196,551,593,728 (power: 76,196,551,611) | | Originally Posted by IndyEllis Did you just say Doris Day?
What with the oldie above, I'm tempted to break into _Que Sera Sera_
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7th March 2007, 11:44 PM
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7th March 2007, 11:47 PM
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Reps: 1,345 (power: 8) | | Originally Posted by Joykins Jesus reached out of the gospels and grabbed me.
I had just looked at your avatar in the top right before reading this and I was thinking, "What???"
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8th March 2007, 12:23 AM
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