SDAs & Formers - W. Miller's 15 "PROOFS" for Oct. 22, 1844

If you don't know already, you'd be surprised to know that most SDA colleges have been teach NLP (a form of hypnotism) to the students, young pastors. No wonder they are so confused.

Furthermore, the previous dating of 1843 was a failed calculation because there was no year zero. And I don't think they ever dated to the spring because the whole IJ was the antitypical application of the fall harvest feast. I'd like to see an original quote from W Miller that dated it to the spring time

Neuro-linguistic programming.

Do a search on that and the seminary and you might come up with something.

Anyway, OntheDL, are you suggesting that everyone who has ever had questions on the IJ or on Miller has been subjected to hypnotism? What about those in the past century before this started?

Here is a cached version of an old page on the subject.:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Here is a timeline of Adventist apostasies:

http://www.lightministries.com/SDA/id1217.htm

1989 - In the NAD guidelines for "Homecoming Emphasis During Year of Evangelism" on p 37, lines
30-35, it states the General Conferences' desire that every SDA pastor in the North American Division be trained in Neuro-Linguistic Programming hypnosis, and that 200 SDA pastors have already been certified as trainers. In Selected Messages, book 2, 351, God tells us that when we see this, we are "near the close of probation."


Now, let's say for the sake of argument that we grant that NLP is

a. taught at the Seminary
b. effective
c. hypnosis

It obviously would take a few years to get them to that point. But that still post-dates Ford by some time. It postdates Cottrel's early misgivings during the writing of the commentary. It predates a fair number of other Adventist detractors.

I think we need to settle the issues on the evidence, not no allegations of hypnotism.

http://www.lightministries.com/SDA/id1217.htm

1989 - In the NAD guidelines for "Homecoming Emphasis During Year of Evangelism" on p 37, lines
30-35, it states the General Conferences' desire that every SDA pastor in the North American Division be trained in Neuro-Linguistic Programming hypnosis, and that 200 SDA pastors have already been certified as trainers. In Selected Messages, book 2, 351, God tells us that when we see this, we are "near the close of probation."

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this statement?

Here is what EGW wrote about Miller's chart:

September 23, the Lord showed me that He had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering, Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time God will heal and bind up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if God should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be gathered. I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. {EW 74.1}

And here is where she talked about the "perfect chain of truth" (note that she wasn't referring specifically to Miller's proofs here):

God sent His angel to move upon the heart of a farmer who had not believed the Bible, to lead him to search the prophecies. Angels of God repeatedly visited that chosen one, to guide his mind and open to his understanding prophecies which had ever been dark to God's people. The commencement of the chain of truth was given to him, and he was led on to search for link after link, until he looked with wonder and admiration upon the Word of God. He saw there a perfect chain of truth. That Word which he had regarded as uninspired now opened before his vision in its beauty and glory. He saw that one portion of Scripture explains another, and when one passage was closed to his understanding, he found in another part of the Word that which explained it. He regarded the sacred Word of God with joy and with the deepest respect and awe. {EW 229.1}

A little more on her views of William Miller and the mistake in prophetic interpretation:

I saw that God was in the proclamation of the time in 1843. It was His design to arouse the people and bring them to a testing point, where they should decide for or against the truth. Ministers were convinced of the correctness of the positions taken on the prophetic periods, and some renounced their pride, and left their salaries and their churches to go forth from place to place to give the message. But as the message from heaven could find a place in the hearts of but few of the professed ministers of Christ, the work was laid upon many who were not preachers. Some left their fields to sound the message, while others were called from their shops and their merchandise. And even some professional men were compelled to leave their professions to engage in the unpopular work of giving the first angel's message. . . . {EW 232.2}

The preaching of definite time called forth great opposition from all classes, from the minister in the pulpit down to the most reckless, heaven-daring sinner. "No man knoweth the day nor the hour," was heard from the hypocritical minister and the bold scoffer. Neither would be instructed and corrected by those who were pointing to the year when they believed the

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prophetic periods would run out, and to the signs which showed Christ near, even at the doors. Many shepherds of the flock, who professed to love Jesus, said that they had no opposition to the preaching of Christ's coming, but they objected to the definite time. God's all-seeing eye read their hearts. They did not love Jesus near. They knew that their unchristian lives would not stand the test, for they were not walking in the humble path marked out by Him. These false shepherds stood in the way of the work of God. The truth spoken in its convincing power aroused the people, and like the jailer, they began to inquire, "What must I do to be saved?" But these shepherds stepped in between the truth and the people, and preached smooth things to lead them from the truth. They united with Satan and his angels, crying, "Peace, peace," when there was no peace. Those who loved their ease and were content with their distance from God would not be aroused from their carnal security. I saw that angels of God marked it all; the garments of those unconsecrated shepherds were covered with the blood of souls. {EW 233.2}

Ministers who would not accept this saving message themselves hindered those who would have received it. The blood of souls is upon them. Preachers and people joined to oppose this message from heaven and to persecute William Miller and those who united with him in the work. Falsehoods were circulated to injure his influence; and at different times after he had plainly declared the counsel of God, applying cutting truths to the hearts of his hearers, great rage was kindled against him, and as he left the place of meeting, some waylaid him in order to take his life. But angels of God were sent to protect him, and they led him safely away from the angry mob. His work was not yet finished. . . .

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{EW 234.1}

I saw the people of God joyful in expectation, looking for their Lord. But God designed to prove them. His hand covered a mistake in the reckoning of the prophetic periods. Those who were looking for their Lord did not discover this mistake, and the most learned men who opposed the time also failed to see it. God designed that His people should meet with a disappointment. The time passed, and those who had looked with joyful expectation for their Saviour were sad and disheartened, while those who had not loved the appearing of Jesus, but embraced the message through fear, were pleased that He did not come at the time of expectation. Their profession had not affected the heart and purified the life. The passing of the time was well calculated to reveal such hearts.

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They were the first to turn and ridicule the sorrowful, disappointed ones who really loved the appearing of their Saviour. I saw the wisdom of God in proving His people and giving them a searching test to discover those who would shrink and turn back in the hour of trial. {EW 235.3}

Jesus and all the heavenly host looked with sympathy and love upon those who had with sweet expectation longed to see Him whom their souls loved. Angels were hovering around them, to sustain them in the hour of their trial. Those who had neglected to receive the heavenly message were left in darkness, and God's anger was kindled against them, because they would not receive the light which He had sent them from heaven. Those faithful, disappointed ones, who could not understand why their Lord did not come, were not left in darkness. Again they were led to their Bibles to search the prophetic periods. The hand of the Lord was removed from the figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Light from the Word of God shone upon their position, and they discovered a tarrying time--"Though it [the vision] tarry, wait for it." In their love for Christ's immediate coming, they had overlooked the tarrying of the vision, which was calculated to manifest the true waiting ones. Again they had a point of time. Yet I saw that many of them could not rise above their severe disappointment to possess that degree of zeal and energy which had marked their faith in 1843. {EW 236.1}

I can see perfectly the failure of the Millerites had a great purpose.

The disciples had a great disappointment until the resurrected Jesus pointed to the scripture, their eyes were open.

I can see perfectly the failure of the Millerites had a great purpose.

The disciples had a great disappointment until the resurrected Jesus pointed to the scripture, their eyes were open.

Had the early adventists not have that great disappointment, they probably would not have searched the bible earnestly for their errors and thus came to the complete understanding of the sanctuary.

The core of adventism is found on the study of the sanctuary. Without a thorough study of the sanctuary, one can not completely understand the plan of salvation, the true justification and sanctification message, the prophecy, the character and the patience of Jesus...

So far, Miller's proofs all seem like variations of the same idea--2520 years leading up to 1843, based on some convoluted reasoning about revolutions of the earth--with different texts used in each proof to support his claims. This just makes no sense. If God placed His hand over the mistakes in Miller's figures, He must have had to cover up an awful lot in order to get him to make these conclusions.