Creationist flood challenge

Pete Harcoff · #1 27th July 2003, 07:28 PM

For those who believe in the world-wide flood of Noah, I would like to see a couple things answered with respect to the flood and geology:

1) Which geological strata are pre-flood, which strata were laid down during the flood, and which strata are post-flood?

2) Based on the geological evidence, what is the time frame for the flood; when did it occur and how long was it? (note the bolded section)

Frumious Bandersnatch · #2 27th July 2003, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff

For those who believe in the world-wide flood of Noah, I would like to see a couple things answered with respect to the flood and geology:

1) Which geological strata are pre-flood, which strata were laid down during the flood, and which strata are post-flood?

2) Based on the geological evidence, what is the time frame for the flood; when did it occur and how long was it? (note the bolded section)

You aren't seriously expecting answers to these questions are you? If you are can I have some of what you must be smoking?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Pete Harcoff · #3 27th July 2003, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch

You aren't seriously expecting answers to these questions are you? If you are can I have some of what you must be smoking?

Oh I know. But you'd think the inability for creationist flood geology to answer such basic questions would be cause for concern among creationists.

I'd be interested to see if any of the forum's flood proponents take a stab at it, but yeah, I don't think anyone can answer these.

Frumious Bandersnatch · #4 27th July 2003, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff

Oh I know. But you'd think the inability for creationist flood geology to answer such basic questions would be cause for concern among creationists.

I'd be interested to see if any of the forum's flood proponents take a stab at it, but yeah, I don't think anyone can answer these.

It doesn't bother them at all that layers deposited by this supposedly unique event that supposedly rearranged all the world's geology can't be distinguished from layers that were supposedly laid down either before or after the flood by totally different processes. Once you have made the huge leaps of illogic necessary to ignore all the other falsifications of the global flood this becomes a minor problem. After all when you can claim that desert deposits, fossil soils and massive layers of evaporated salt were formed during a worldwide flood the fact that you can't tell exactly what layers are flood deposits seems trivial. When Answers in Genesis gets their museum built they should put a sign over the door that says All logic abandon ye who enter here.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Alessandro · #5 28th July 2003, 12:20 AM

What evidence would one expect from a global watery cataclysm that drowned the animals, birds and people not on the Ark? All around the world, in rock layer after rock layer, there are billions of dead things that have been buried in water-carried mud and sand. Their state of preservation frequently tells of rapid burial and fossilization, just like one would expect in such a flood.

There is abundant evidence that many of the rock strata were laid down quickly, one after the other, without significant time breaks between them. Preservation of animal tracks, ripple marks and even raindrop marks, testifies to rapid covering of these features to enable their preservation. Polystrate fossils (ones which traverse many strata) speak of very quick deposition of the strata. The scarcity of erosion, soil formation, animal burrows and roots between layers also shows they must have been deposited in quick succession. The radical deformation of thick layers of sediment without evidence of cracking or melting also shows how all the layers must have been still soft when they were bent. Dykes (walls) and pipes (cylinders) of sandstone which connect with the same material many layers beneath show that the layers beneath must have been still soft, and contained much water. That the sandstone could be squeezed up through cracks above to form the 'clastic' dykes and pipes, again shows rapid deposition of many strata.

The world-wide distribution of many geological features and rock types is also consistent with a global Flood. The Morrison Formation is a layer of sedimentary rock that extends from Texas to Canada, clearly showing the fallacy of the still popular belief that 'the present is the key to the past' - there are no processes occurring on earth today that are laying down such large areas of sedimentary layers. In reality God's revelation about the past is the key to understanding the present.

The limited goegraphic extent of unconformities (clear breaks in the sequence of deposition with different tiltings of layers, etc.), is also consistent with the reality of the global Flood. And there are many other evidences for the Flood.