Who invented Science?

I stumbled into the evolution/creation thread and I wonder is anyone interested in discussing science in here. I dont think I'll get any argument that science is a human invention, even though it is worshiped and served like a pagan god. Science is about tools, its first and foremost a philosophy, originally it was called natural philosophy. The term 'science' is a word that simply means 'to know', there are two kinds of knowledge. The kind you know intellectually (theory) and the kind you experience (practice). Science is the kind you experience. Scientific theory is just established facts organized systematicly. Eventually these theories can be so well established that they are called laws, like gravity.

Mechanical aid

Francis Bacon developed the inductive approach to science as a systematic philosophy. Discrepancies in our perception of the world of sense have to be addressed using inductive reasoning. He believed that “Our only remaining hope and salvation is to begin the whole labour of the mind again; not leaving it to itself, but directing it perpetually from the very first, and attaining our end as it were by mechanical aid. (Francis Bacon,1620). Science is about understanding controling the natural world. People are grossly ignorant about what science really is. If it can't be confirmed or denied by an experiment people think that means its not true. I'm constantly being attacked for saying that there is obvious, clear, and distinct proof for God's existance. Not only that God's divine nature has been revealed to everyone, its called natural revelation. At this point people start demanding empirical evidence like I'm supposed to come up with an experiment to prove it. There is no such thing as science, it is itself an intangable like numbers or time. Natural science on the other hand is what we learn about in school

Scientific evidence

Bacon developed the philosophy of natural science but it was Newton who actually established it. He did a lot of experiments with prisms. He wanted to prove that light was actually made up of seven colors. at that time it was belived that the colors from a prism were from the prism. Newton proved that anyone who did this experiment exactly like he did would get the exact same result and natural science was born. If thousands of years for now natural science has a Genesis account of its creation, Newton would be the first Adam.

“If the arrival of the modern scientific age could be pinpointed to a particular moment and a particular place, it would be 27 April 1676 at the Royal Society, for it was on that day that the results obtained in a meticulous experiment - the experimentum crucis - were found to fit with the hypothesis, so transforming a hypothesis into a demonstrable theory.” (White, the Last Sorcerer)

How do we know that evolution is true? How did they prove the law of gravity was true? How do we know either one of them is true? Lets ask the real question, how do we know anything for certain?

What is the law of gravity? "What goes up must come down"?

Actually, gravity is poorly understood.

Laws and theories in science are not some kind of heirarchy. Theories are descriptions of observations. As more and better observations are made, theories are revised, improved or replaced. Laws are mathematical expressions of well understood principles.

Observation - The sky is blue
Theory - The sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering of light (using laws of physics in regard to light to support the theory).

Laws are also quite constrained, meaning that they only apply in a very narrow set of parameters.

Science in general neither tries to prove nor disprove the existance or God.

Science is NOT athiesm.
Evolutionary theory is NOT athiesm

Science does not prove anything with absolute certainty. Even the laws of thermodymanics. What science does very well is disprove things with a degree of certainty - not prove them.

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"even though it is worshiped and served like a pagan god."

LoL, I loved this line.
What pagan god?
How is it worshiped?
Do they do blood sacrifices to it?
Is that even pagan?

"If it can't be confirmed or denied by an experiment people think that means its not true."

It appears you are the one that doesnt understand science, as this is not true.
If it cant be confirmed or denied, then it is not part of science.
Like god.
which is why, science is agnostic.

"I'm constantly being attacked for saying that there is obvious, clear, and distinct proof for God's existance."

wow, you do? Like real evidence, and not just oppinion? You know you could probably win some sort of nobel prize or something.

"How do we know that evolution is true? How did they prove the law of gravity was true? How do we know either one of them is true? Lets ask the real question, how do we know anything for certain?"

We dont, thats why science never "Proves" anything 100%. However it does come to the best conclusion that fits all the current evidence.

Currently Evolution is the best (and only) conclusion that fits all the evidence.

The Law of Gravity is not always true, that is why there is now a Theory of Gravity, because the Law of Gravity was found to break down under certain circumstances.

I love this argument though, as it can end in so many questions for any person trying to shove their religion into science.

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Green faeries

No, not blood sacrifices. The sacrifices that are made to science are soul sacrifices. Those that want to embrace "scientific wisdom" and shun the wisdom of the One who made our puny minds is perishing in their own wisdom. That my freind is sad.

really? Maybe you should talk to some Chrisitan scientists. Around here we have a few. Like Lucaspa.

Im sure he would be rather annoyed at you suggesting that he is shunning god for his scientific work.

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Green faeries

I always find it interesting when people try to make science into the bad guy.

Lets try and think of this a different way.

If, God made the universe
Then, God also made nature.

Science is the study of Nature.
Thus Science is the study of Gods Creation.

How this is Evil, im not quite sure.

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Green faeries

My point is the experimentum crucis is considered all of science and therefore all of knowledge. That is how it came to be in the place of God as the source of wisdom and knowledge. Just as the Children of Israel fashioned a golden calf saying this is the god that delivered you out of Egypt, experimentum crucis is given the credit for leading Western Civilization out of the Dark Ages.

Just a note here, Ohoilab.

Shouting (using all caps) is really frowned upon in chat rooms and discussion forums--it's difficult to read. Of course there's nothing to stop you--other than the moderator--but I can assure you that many of us ignore such posts, and go on to more friendly replies. Your choice.

All caps? I have no idea what you are talking about. If my posts are coming up as all caps its not because I wrote it that way.

He is not using all caps. I think he is just somehow using and larger font or a differnent font than what your use to looking at.