| Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too. |
 | | 
26th July 2003, 06:29 PM
|  | <font color="#880000" ></font>The sum of everything = zero
  
| | Join Date: 4th April 2002
Posts: 1,973
Blessings: 110,900
Reps: 143,091 (power: 156) | | | If science is so bad then why are you sitting in front of a computer, in your air conditioned house, while your kids are watching sattelite TV waiting for their grandfather to come over (who is doing much better since the heart transplant last year BTW)? Why not go find a cave, a few pieces of flint and a couple of spears and live a life free of the horrible horrible influence of evil science.
__________________
"We’ve been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture," Pastor Ray Mummert speaking out against teaching evolution in Pennsylvania schools
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
The flood becomes harder and harder to support when you get more information.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
26th July 2003, 07:33 PM
|  | Jedi Master
27   
| | Join Date: 5th June 2002 Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,689
Blessings: 90,096 My Mood 
Reps: 62,343 (power: 75) | | Originally Posted by ByGrace No, not blood sacrifices. The sacrifices that are made to science are soul sacrifices. Those that want to embrace "scientific wisdom" and shun the wisdom of the One who made our puny minds is perishing in their own wisdom. That my freind is sad.
How is studying creation "shunning God", if we didn't "shun God" (as you put it) then you wouldn't be sitting there on your computer.
__________________
"Ach, stick it up yer trakkans!"
|
26th July 2003, 07:36 PM
| | Jedi Master
27
| | Join Date: 5th June 2002 Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,689
Blessings: 90,096 My Mood
Reps: 62,343 (power: 75) | | Originally Posted by Oholiab My point is the experimentum crucis is considered all of science and therefore all of knowledge. That is how it came to be in the place of God as the source of wisdom and knowledge. Just as the Children of Israel fashioned a golden calf saying this is the god that delivered you out of Egypt, experimentum crucis is given the credit for leading Western Civilization out of the Dark Ages.
Well it did. As far as I know God didn't just tell someone how to use electricity, we had to figure that out on our own.
__________________
"Ach, stick it up yer trakkans!"
|
26th July 2003, 07:36 PM
| | Jedi Master
27
| | Join Date: 5th June 2002 Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,689
Blessings: 90,096 My Mood
Reps: 62,343 (power: 75) | | | Sorry about my big writing, I have no idea why i went like that and I don't know how to fix it, I tried changing the font size in options but nothing happened.
__________________
"Ach, stick it up yer trakkans!"
|
26th July 2003, 08:02 PM
|  | Forever England
58 
| | Join Date: 15th July 2002
Posts: 1,075
Blessings: 108,823
Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | How do we know that evolution is true?
Because we observe it. How did they prove the law of gravity was true?
They didn't prove it was true; a law is just a mathematical description of a real-wrld phenomenon. How do we know either one of them is true?
See above. Lets ask the real question, how do we know anything for certain?
Well, we can sit there and end up paralysed by fine points of philosophy, or we can try and make sense of the world as we perceive it. The latter is what the scientific method is doing. If you prefer the former, then have a nice time in that cave of yours. |
26th July 2003, 08:12 PM
|  | Contributor
| | Join Date: 3rd July 2003 Location: Washington state
Posts: 5,113
Blessings: 3,306,048 My Mood 
Reps: 47,249,488,649,861,296 (power: 0) | | | My mistake. Had I been really paying attention it would have been apparent, as JohnR7 pointed out, that it's the font size you're using that's making your post difficult to read. If you want to change it, and have MSExplorer, try going to VIEW on the uppermost bar, then TEXT, and MEDIUM. perhaps that will do it. |
26th July 2003, 08:20 PM
|  | Legend
61  
 | | Join Date: 9th February 2002 Location: Ohio
Posts: 25,410
Blessings: 241,361
Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Late_Cretaceous If science is so bad then why are you sitting in front of a computer, in your air conditioned house, while your kids are watching sattelite TV waiting for their grandfather to come over (who is doing much better since the heart transplant last year BTW)? Why not go find a cave, a few pieces of flint and a couple of spears and live a life free of the horrible horrible influence of evil science.
I think your giving science credit for a bit more than what they are responsable for. People got along just fine before science came along. Esp. if they lived for God and He blessed them with health and a long life. The important thing is to dwell together in love.
If you add up how many people die from weapons of mass destruction, a gift from science. Or how many people die from perscription drugs, again a gift from science. So who is to say without the contribution of science more people would not live a longer life.
My wife grew up in a bamboo house with a straw roof and a dirt floor. They cooked their dinner over a open fire. She would have no problem going back to living that way. In fact a lot of people when they first come to America and see what a modern world is all about, want to turn around and go right back to the simple life they came from. When they find out it is not the paradise they thought it was going to be. Their simple life is most likely more of a paradise than this.
But who knows, maybe the "good old days" were not so good after all. But a lot of people sure seem to think they were. A lot of people long to return to a more simple life before science came along.
Even if science were to give us 100 years of life, so what. God is going to give us eternity in love and in a real paradise. Not a artifical man made substitute for paradise.  |
26th July 2003, 09:04 PM
|  | Senior Veteran
40 
| | Join Date: 17th May 2002 Location: Bloomington, Illinois
Posts: 2,526
Blessings: 72,589 My Mood
Reps: 1,795,728 (power: 1,809) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 I think your giving science credit for a bit more than what they are responsable for. People got along just fine before science came along. Esp. if they lived for God and He blessed them with health and a long life. The important thing is to dwell together in love.
John, the first kind of science invented by humans was medicine and agriculture. When humans first started to realize that one did not have to rely on what nature provided but they could plant and raise their own food and nor move with the seasons but live in permanent settlements.
So is it Gods will that humans really go back to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle? |
26th July 2003, 10:24 PM
| | Legend
61
| | Join Date: 9th February 2002 Location: Ohio
Posts: 25,410
Blessings: 241,361
Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LewisWildermuth John, the first kind of science invented by humans was medicine and agriculture. When humans first started to realize that one did not have to rely on what nature provided but they could plant and raise their own food and nor move with the seasons but live in permanent settlements.
So is it Gods will that humans really go back to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle?
Genesis 2:5
before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;
Interesting that you think "science" gave us agriculture. If your going to make the claim, then perhaps you would like to present your evidence. It was actually religion that gave us agriculture because it was the priests who came up with the first calanders that really made it possible.
There actually was no seperation between science and religion up to Darwin. There would be no science as we know it today, if it were not for religion. Up untill Darwin, the whole approach or way of looking at creation had to be approved by science and religion. Even Darwin was a student of natural theology. The study of nature.
The first agriculture took place on deltas and flood planes. So there was really no need for a plow or for irrigation. That came later.
Also, the hunter gathers had medicine. They knew of the healing in various herbs and things that can be found in nature. Because God gave it to them and God showed them how to use it.
You run all of your so called medicine into a computer, and you will find that half of them are found in nature in a natural form. Go to china and you will find that the ancient art is still very much a part of things. If you do not want to go to the pharmacy and go to science.
Do you think for example that science gave us digitalis? Think again. |
26th July 2003, 11:04 PM
| | Senior Veteran
40
| | Join Date: 17th May 2002 Location: Bloomington, Illinois
Posts: 2,526
Blessings: 72,589 My Mood
Reps: 1,795,728 (power: 1,809) | | | John, you are confusing science with scientists.
Science is a way of doing things.
A scientist is a person who makes a career of doing things scientifically.
Even priests can perform science.
You and I and everyone uses science somewhere in our lives, even if it is only in making a new recipe.
Even the earliest farmers were using science to get more food to grow. The crops we grow today are not the ones grown 100 years ago and those are not the same as they were 1000 years ago.
Lets look at a simplified example...
Farmer A notices that the crops that grew up through a cow pie left by one of his cows grew faster and better than the other crops in his field.
Farmer A forms a hypothesis that cow poop helps plants grow.
Farmer A then puts cow poop around part of the field and leave another part alone with no poop on it.
Farmer A finds that the side of the field with the poop grows better than the side without the poop.
Farmer A then forms a theory that fields with poop in the soil grows food better than fields without poop, but he still isn't sure if this works only on his field or if it will work everywhere.
Farmer A then gets with his neighbor Farmer B and has Farmer B try the same thing. The same thing works on Farmer B's field.
Now Farmer A is sure enough of his theory to tell all the farmers about it.
See, no white lab coats but science was done! | | |
| Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode |
| | |
