America, B.C., Historical Anomaly

busterdog · #1 16th February 2007, 11:19 AM

http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/Comstone.html

America's ancient Indian's called it the "Cliff of the Strange Writings". It has been named Phoenician Rock or the Commandment Stone. It is called today Inscription rock. Located west of Los Lunas, New Mexico at the base of Mystery Mountain (also called Hidden Mountain) this rock has been raising some eyebrows.

The stone preserves an abbreviated form of the Ten Commandments as written in Exodus 20, which is very exciting, but what makes this stone an enigma is the fact that the writing is clearly semitic in origin.

Not exactly origins theology, just a little hotfoot from history for all the orthodox experts who already know it all.

Deamiter · #2 16th February 2007, 01:08 PM

It's extremely intriguing. I'm not sure where the site you cited gets it's dating or how it decided that it's purely Semetic, but it seems they were a bit mistaken. Comparison of the weathering on the rock has dated it to around 0-1500 AD (not very convincing accuracy admittedly) but an analysis of the writing suggests that the author knew Greek with only a verbal understanding of Hebrew:

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html

Further evidence of a Hellenistic or Byzantine influence on Los Lunas is provided by Skupin (1989). He analyzes the orthographic errors of the Los Lunas text itself, and concludes that it appears to have been written by a person whose primary language was Greek, who had a secondary, but verbal, comprehension of Hebrew. He writes of the inscriber,

He used the consonant [aleph] as if it were a vowel, like the Greek alpha, even though this clashes with the Hebrew orthographic system .... He confounded [qoph] and [caph] as a Philhellene who only knew kappa might do, and was sufficiently removed from Hebrew to be unaware that he had made an irreverent slip thereby. Most amazingly, he 'heard' macrons, the drawling long vowels that are structurally and semantically important in Greek ... and felt compelled to indicate them even if he was not exactly sure of how it's done (and rightly so, since in Hebrew they're insignificant).... His word order suggests a scriptural tradition related to a Greek version produced in Alexandria, Egypt, as does his spelling; and finally, he gives inordinate prominence to the words 'brought you out of Egypt.'

KerrMetric · #3 16th February 2007, 06:20 PM

No record of it prior to 1933 and according to some it uses modern punctuation. Let's face it - odds of being ancient 0.0000000000000000000000000001% - odds of being a modern fake 99.99999999999999999999999999999%.

busterdog · #4 16th February 2007, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Deamiter

It's extremely intriguing. I'm not sure where the site you cited gets it's dating or how it decided that it's purely Semetic, but it seems they were a bit mistaken. Comparison of the weathering on the rock has dated it to around 0-1500 AD (not very convincing accuracy admittedly) but an analysis of the writing suggests that the author knew Greek with only a verbal understanding of Hebrew:

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html

Yes it is interesting. This may not be the site it pretends to be, but there are these anamolies here and there.

I don't know exactly what it proves, except that a very narrow slice of orthodoxy a dismissive shaking of the head as i mutter "meshugga" -- that is the view that before St. Basil there was not and could not have been trans-atlantic traffic.

Several pieces of evidence suggest that there was significant trans-Atlantic traffic. Lots of the oral histories of South America carry that theme. Viracocha taught some of the higher principals revered in ancient South American civilization, but he was a bearded man that came over teh ocean.

The Olmec heads that apparently are pre-Aztec have negroid features.

There are stories of a Roman Trireme off the coast of Brazil that was buried to preserve the belief in Spanish origins.

http://www.neara.org/abcbook.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...e+Search&gbv=2

laptoppop · #5 16th February 2007, 07:04 PM

I love "OPA" (out of place artifacts) because they can challenge conventional view of ancient humans as lowly barbarians. When God made Adam, He made him smart, and possibly even with special knowledge to survive with.

Caves are often thought of as being a place where folks lived for a long long time -- but there are alternative interpretations where folks would live in caves as they first traveled to an area, then would move out as they got settled. i.e. that the folks were just as smart as today.

There are tons of sites about OPAs. Many OPAs have been shown to be forgeries and/or not what they seem to be -- but not all. Here's one such site:
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue5/ar5topten.html

Floodnut · #6 21st February 2007, 04:33 PM

They are only OPAs to those who hold to the evolutionary "progress" of civilization and culture. But for those who hold to the biblical Flood, it is clear that civilizations around the world sprang up suddenly, the seeds of the pre-flood world being borne by the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japeth after the scattering of Babel. As they would come to a new region, they would struggle to survive in caves and temporary camps, often using stone tools. Then when they were finally able to find ore and refine it to usable tools the stones would be set aside for metal.
However some of the pioneers did not carry the recollection of metallurgy and other pre-flood technology so it did not suddenly "arise," or in some cases it was never restored.
As to this inscription, it may be a forgery.
But I love the rainbow wall, with a rainbow, 8 humans and dozens of pairs of animals. It is somewhere out west. I saw the picture of it in Smithsonian.

busterdog · #7 28th February 2007, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by laptoppop

There are tons of sites about OPAs. Many OPAs have been shown to be forgeries and/or not what they seem to be -- but not all. Here's one such site:
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue5/ar5topten.html

Aren't we the brave little YEC, citing "atlantis rising!"

Well, too bad that the nutty sites are where you have to go to find that kind of information. Very interesting artifacts.

DailyBlessings · #8 21st March 2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Deamiter

It's extremely intriguing. I'm not sure where the site you cited gets it's dating or how it decided that it's purely Semetic, but it seems they were a bit mistaken. Comparison of the weathering on the rock has dated it to around 0-1500 AD (not very convincing accuracy admittedly) but an analysis of the writing suggests that the author knew Greek with only a verbal understanding of Hebrew:

I wouldn't trust to that figure, since the technique of comparing and measuring rock patinas, questionably accurate even now, hadn't really been developed when it was written- he was just guessing. The unusual weather patterns of the southwest make this method difficult to use at any rate, though I wonder if any petrologists have gone back to the site recently.

My guess, if I had to make one, would be that the site is older than a few years, but definitely post-Columbian. I'm picturing one of the religious orders or cults prevalent in the region, either in the earlier wave of Spanish monastic outcasts or through the migration of an American Protestant group, of which there were many, attempting to address the confusion of multiple spiritualities by putting a Hebrew stamp on an indigenous holy site. That is, if the site is genuine- I can't find much in the archaeological journals on it, which makes me suspicious. I personally know many archaeologists who would be intrigued by it, if it were probably genuine.