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Nephilites are a race of half breeds of angel and human, demons and humans, immortal beings which give morals the nudge to do heroic or demonic actions. Iam intrested in finding out about them are the true or fiction etc.

Genisis chapter 6 vs 4

4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.

Does anyone know anything about them?

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I think Dan Brown is an expert on them.
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I have a NLT study bible and it says this. "These "giant Nephilites" were people probably nine or ten feet tall. This same Hebrew term was used to name a tall race of people in Numbers 13:33. Goliath, who was nine feet tall, appears in 1 Samuel 17. The giants used their physical advantage to oppress the people around them."

So I would say that they were neither half angel and half human nor half demon and half human. They apparently were giants like Goliath. And I believe if they were in the Bible they did exist.

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I have a NLT study bible and it says this. "These "giant Nephilites" were people probably nine or ten feet tall. This same Hebrew term was used to name a tall race of people in Numbers 13:33. Goliath, who was nine feet tall, appears in 1 Samuel 17. The giants used their physical advantage to oppress the people around them."

So I would say that they were neither half angel and half human nor half demon and half human. They apparently were giants like Goliath. And I believe if they were in the Bible they did exist.

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We need to get an expert on the Hebrew language and ancient Hebrew history to weigh in. Everything else is speculation.

The notion of angels and demons "breeding" with people implies that they have a physical body to make this happen. The bible says that they can take on the appearance and semblance of humans, but does not say that they have actual, physical bodies.
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The Nephilites were around a long time but they were wiped out in the flood. Giants are a different subject.
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Interesting topic. I would have to look at how that form of the Hebrew word is used in the rest of the OC.
Let me study on this more.

05303 n@phiyl {nef-eel'} or n@phil {nef-eel'} from 05307; TWOT - 1393a; n m
AV - giant 3; 3
1) giants, the Nephilim

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

naphal (Strong's 05307) occurs 435 times in 403 verses:
n@phiyl (Strong's 05303) occurs 3 times in 2 verses:

5303 nphiyl nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.
5307 naphal naw-fal' a primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative):--be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away,
Last time used:

(Young) Zechariah 11:2 Howl, O fir, for fallen/naphal (Strong's 05307) hath the cedar, For their honourable ones were destroyed, Howl, ye oaks of Bashan, For come down/yarad (Strong's 03381) hath the fenced forest,

(Young) Isaiah 13:3 I have given charge to My sanctified ones, Also I have called My mighty ones for Mine anger, Those rejoicing at Mine excellency.'
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That thru the death He might take-away the one having the power of the death, that is the Devil

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I suppose we will know the world is really bad when people have sex with demons. Hmmmmm....(deep in thought)
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They died in the flood. Nephilim were the sons of angels and people, this eneded poorly
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This is mythology.

Angels and demons are spiritual beings. How can they have intercourse and produce offspring?

Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

God made every creature after its kind. Even in case of two species interbreeding, the offspring is not viable.

Guys, let the bible interpretes itself, not human opinions please.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Here the Lord said he will destroy those wicked man whom He has created, not hybrids of man and angel.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The sons of God simply the believers of God. Not angels.

The daughters of men are simply the descendents of unbelievers. The bible records many wicked women tempted Godly men.

This is classification: the offspring of Seth were believers. The offsprings of Cain were unbelievers. Genesis 6 basically recounts the believers intermarried the unbelievers and all became wicked.
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They died in the flood. Nephilim were the sons of angels and people, this eneded poorly
Umm, Noah and his family survived though or else how could they come back later.

(Young) Genesis 6:4 The fallen ones were in the land in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them--they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name.
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