Contemporary Evidence For Papal Infallibility

PaulAckermann · #1 31st January 2007, 06:08 PM

On a particular moral issue, the pope

has proven to be right and all the other denominations have been wrong. For all these years, we Catholics have been mocked and criticized for the harsh stand the Catholic Church has been on birth control. We, now the evidence is in!

See http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

Because of the Catholic Church’s strong view against birth control, it has always warned its flock not to take the pill, as well as other birth control devices. Although there are many denomination that are pro-life, I do not know any Protestant that is against birth control.

So that means that there are thousands of Protestant pro-life wives, who rightly oppose RU-486 (the morning-after pill), and yet may have inadvertently had caused an abortion themselves because they took the birth control, with the approval of their ministers

.

If my wife and I had been Protestant, and my wife was taking the pill, without my minister warning me that I could be killing an unborn child, I would be total scandalized.

I hear often “What makes you think your church is the only true church?” or “What makes you think that only the pope is right and no other denomination has it right”.

Well, here you have proof!

If the tables were turned, if the pope had approved the use of birth control, and when it came out that all this time the pill caused abortions, we Catholics would never hear the end of it! “How can the pope be infallible and allow his flock to practice something that kills unborn children?”

But that is not what happened. The popes have always warned the flock not to take the pill, even before it was not know that the pill could cause abortions. The pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.

On this moral this moral issue, the pope has proven to be right, and all the other churches are wrong. The odds for one person to get it right and everyone getting it is wrong is highly unlikely. But that is exactly what happened.

Of course, if you are not pro-life, this is not impressive. But if you are pro-life, how can this be explained except it be by the hand of God?

BBAS 64 · #2 31st January 2007, 06:20 PM

Good Day, Paul

The argugment is not very coherant IMHO...

As far as the comparision between "the Pill" and the "morning after pill" there is none, there are many medical professionals on this forum to correct your incorrect assement.

As I am not one of those nor do I play one on T.V. I will not attempt to cover such fallacy.

As to the "one True church" when did they pass medical school? Unless they play one one TV then..... I assume you get the point.

In Him,

Bill

Peace to u,

Bill

IamAdopted · #3 31st January 2007, 06:43 PM

LOL I am sorry but the Pope infallable..

Macrina · #4 31st January 2007, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by PaulAckermann

I do not know any Protestant that is against birth control.

I could introduce you to several.

Once again, Paul, you are extrapolating from your experience to generalize for all protestants. Please don't do that.

And the argument that since the Pope was right on this then he's infallible? I'm afraid that wouldn't hold up in court.

An example:
For years, PETA told me not to eat cheese; it was wrong.
I recently learned that I have a medical condition worsened by cheese consumption.
Therefore, PETA was right.
Therefore, PETA is infallible.

leothelioness · #5 1st February 2007, 01:10 AM

Sorry, but birth control pills do not abort unborn children. They keep the egg from being fertilised in the first place.

Besides, the MA pill is not a birth control pill. It is an abortion pill and I am against it's use.

There is a big difference between these two pills and their functions.

Macrina · #6 1st February 2007, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by leothelioness

Sorry, but birth control pills do not abort unborn children. They keep the egg from being fertilised in the first place.

Besides, the MA pill is not a birth control pill. It is an abortion pill and I am against it's use.

There is a big difference between these two pills and their functions.

Actually, if one believes that life begins when the egg is fertilized, then one should be concerned about the ordinary birth-control pill, which can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg into the uterine lining. That is why some people (including a number of my married protestant friends) choose not to use hormonal birth control; should an egg become fertilized, they do not want to do anything to harm it.

Still, though, it's not evidence for papal infallibility.

PaulAckermann · #7 1st February 2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Macrina

I could introduce you to several.

You say that you know of several denominations that are against birth control. But then you did not even give one example.

And the argument that since the Pope was right on this then he's infallible? I'm afraid that wouldn't hold up in court.

It is not just that he was right. He was the ONLY one who was right. With all the Protestant denomination out there, what are the odd that the pope would be right and all the other denominations are wrong.

An example:
For years, PETA told me not to eat cheese; it was wrong.
I recently learned that I have a medical condition worsened by cheese consumption.
Therefore, PETA was right.
Therefore, PETA is infallible.

This is a bad example. PETA is not the only ones who would say not to eat cheese. My own doctor would say I should not eat cheese – too much fat.

But in this case, the pope was right and all the other churches were wrong. Huge difference.

PaulAckermann · #8 1st February 2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by leothelioness

Sorry, but birth control pills do not abort unborn children. They keep the egg from being fertilised in the first place.

Besides, the MA pill is not a birth control pill. It is an abortion pill and I am against it's use.

There is a big difference between these two pills and their functions.

Read the bottle of the birth control pill, one way it prevents birth is by being an abortificient.

The morning-after pill dislodges the fertilized egg from the uterine and comes out when the woman urinates. The birth control pill, if conception has already occurred, prevents the fertilized egg from ever attaching itself to the uterine wal and comes out when the woman urinates.

In both cases, conception has started, and so life has begun. In both cases, it is an abortion.

Macrina · #9 1st February 2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by PaulAckermann

You say that you know of several denominations that are against birth control. But then you did not even give one example.

Don't put words in my mouth. You said: "I don't know any Protestant that is against birth control." I said I could introduce you to several [protestants] who are against birth control. Don't twist my words just so you can belittle my statement.

Originally Posted by PaulAckermann

It is not just that he was right. He was the ONLY one who was right. With all the Protestant denomination out there, what are the odd that the pope would be right and all the other denominations are wrong.

This is a bad example. PETA is not the only ones who would say not to eat cheese. My own doctor would say I should not eat cheese – too much fat.

But in this case, the pope was right and all the other churches were wrong. Huge difference.

I'm afraid your logic still doesn't hold up. My deliberately silly PETA example was meant to illustrate that just because someone's position is proven true does not mean that he or she is infallible. What if PETA had been the only ones to say "don't eat cheese?" Would they then be infallible? What if other denominations also said "don't use birth control?" Would that render the Pope fallible? It's not some tally-it-up contest to see who wins the most "we were right" points, although that's what this thread seems to imply. That would be a very petty approach to theology.

PaulAckermann · #10 1st February 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by BBAS 64

Good Day, Paul

Originally Posted by BBAS 64

The argugment is not very coherant IMHO...

As far as the comparision between "the Pill" and the "morning after pill" there is none, there are many medical professionals on this forum to correct your incorrect assement.

The are many medical professionals who also say that a a fetus is not a human being.

As I mentioned above, the birth control pill, if conception has already occurred, prevent the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the uterine wal, and so comes out when the woman urinates. Since the egg is already fertiilized, that mean life has begun, and so this would be an abortion.

As to the "one True church" when did they pass medical school? Unless they play one one TV then..... I assume you get the point.

I think you are missing my point.

The Catholic Church teaches that the pope is infallible in matters of teaching in faith and morals. Since the birth control pill can lead to abortion, the birth control pill is morally evil. If the pope had said the birth control pill was OK, which is way all Protestant leaders say, he was have been a false prophet. But that is not what happened. The pope, and the pope alone, has stood against the pill. And he jas been vindicated. This is exactly what we expect from a true prophet.