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Old 16th July 2003, 06:52 AM
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Infinite Space created by God?

Lets all get this straight. The Universe is simply this.....All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole. Therefore, past the Universe (or intergalactic space) is simply empty space. Can you grasp or comprehend the imensity of this? How far does it go? How can somebody explain the "endpoint" of space? The infinity of space is just more proof that there is a God.

Another thought: There really is not such thing as the smallest object or the largest object. Example: Humans once thought that the atom was the smallest piece of matter in existence. Now we of know that it consists of neutrons, protons, and electrons. And these particles consist of even smaller particles. We will never find the smallest particle. Quote that for future history! Because no matter what....theoretically it would not be impossible for us or especially God to cut a piece of matter in half. So the concept of biggest and smallest is actually never ending. It is infinite. WOW, Humans are so huge, yet so small at the same time. Only God could make something so great!
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1) empty space isn't just space, and there is no edge to the universe as you describe. The universe isn't a big blob of stuff floating around in an awful lot of "empty space" ... the universe contains all of that space, and the universe contains time. this is a typical misconception, because people think that the big bang occured at some point in a big empty space, and everything is flying away from that point... this is simply not true. thi big bang happened everywhere. time and space was created with it.

2) empty space is not empty.

3) Just because it was once theorised that the atom was the smallest particle, and we have cut it into protons, neutrons, and now quarks and so on, does not mean that there is not a fundamental particle (or group of fundamental particles)

some things, like electrons, cannot be split.

4) your final statement that only God could make something so great has absolutely nothing to back it up. It could be made ba an invisible elf or a tie dyed unicorn too, with just as much to back these up.
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1. No edge to the universe? Astronomers are already looking at the edge of the universe! And by that I mean the most distant stars and galaxies! The Universe is expanding. Most astronomers believe in the big bang theory. Your version of the Big Bang Theory is the first of its kind. How could there have been a big bang if there was no space for it to happen? For easy reading.....go pick up a Sky and Telescope Magazine.

2. "Empty space is not empty" Why because space is taking up space? haha ....now that is an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

3." some things, like electrons, cannot be split" Don't be so sure. Information on Splitting the electron ---> http://www.nature.com/nsu/000921/000921-1.html

4. You are right. I cannot back it up. It is just my personal belief. =)
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1) that is just the far reaches of the universe, it isn't a distinct edge. my statement of the big bang is the currently accepted standard model; the big bang created time, space and matter. it isn't an explosion in some vast empty space.
2) ever heard of virual particles, zero point energy and the casmir effect. not to mention gravity waves, spatial curvature, and the electromagnetic field.
3)first I have heard of that, still my point stands, you have assumed that all particles are infinitely divisible, and this is not nescessarily the case. It might be that the fundamental particles we currently think of as fundamental are not, but that doesn't mean that things are infinitely divisible. incidentally, the article also mentions at the bottom that other more conventional explanations have not been ruled out either.
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STARLIGHT AND TIME,by D.Russell Humphreys
This cosmology is amazing!!
Much better than Carl Sagans Book on the Cosmos.
S&T is the best eye opening book i've read this year!!
Besides,"BONES OF CONTENTION",by Marvin L.Lubenow.
D.Russell Humphreys book supports the bible and general relativity!!
The most beautiful cosmology ever! This is a major breakthrough if your a science/God fan.
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STARLIGHT AND TIME,by D.Russell Humphreys
This cosmology is amazing!!
Do you actually know anything about general relativity?
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1. No edge to the universe? Astronomers are already looking at the edge of the universe! And by that I mean the most distant stars and galaxies! The Universe is expanding.
So are you suggesting that the space beyond the universe is different from the space within the universe?
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There is no space beyond the Universe. There is no 'beyond the Universe', by definition.
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Space maybe be finite yet unbounded. Imagine living on the surface of an expanding balloon. If one were to head off in one direction and maintain that course, one would eventually return to the starting point of the voyage from the opposite direction.

The amount and distribution of mass within the cosmos determines its geometry and ultimate fate. So far, observational evidence obtained from the HST and COBE (the Cosmic Background Explorer) instruments suggests a relatively flat universe that my continue to expand indefinately. However, this does not mean that its expanse is or ever will be infinite.
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Do you actually know anything about general relativity?

That and quantum mechanics... once you throw M-theory into the mix, what you said is almost completely untrue. (not you martin, i meant 2ruballa)

Also, for your reading pleasure,here is what Carl Sagan once wrote about quantum mechaics:


"Imagine you wanted to understand what quantum mechanics is about. There is a mathematical underpinning that you must first acquire, mastery of each mathematical subdiscipline leading you to the threshold of the next. In turn you must learn arithmetic, Euclidian geometry, high school algebra, differential and integral calculus, ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus, certain special functions of mathematical physics, matrix algebra, and group theory. For most physics students, this might occupy them from, say, third grade to early graduate school--roughly 15 years. Such a course of study does not actually involve learning any quantum mechanics, but merely establishing the mathematical framework required to approach it deeply.

The job of the popularizer of science, trying to get across some idea of quantum mechanics to a general audience that has not gone through these inituition rites, is daunting. Indeed, there are no successful popularizations of quantum mechanics in my opinion--party for this reason. These mathematical complexities are compounded by the fact that quantum mechanics is so resolutely counterintuitive. Common sense is almost useless in approaching it. It's no good, Richard Feynman once said, asking why it is that way. No one knows why it is that. That's just the way it is."

So i'd say before you start spouting off about how wrong quantum mechanics must be, you better have the skills to back it up.
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