Dinosaur Footprints in Coal: Another falsification of the flood model

Dinosaur Footprints in Coal: Another falsification of the flood model as an explaination for the fossil record.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html

The linked article discusses dinosaur footprints that are found along with a stand of trees (observable by their roots) on the TOP of a coal seam, but buried under feet of other rock and sediment.

This would seem to falsify a flood model for the creation of the sediment layers in which these footprints were found (similar to how intact egg nests, burrows, and stream beds in other parts of the fossil record do the same).

This phenomena is intersting because it shows that
1) The material that made up the coal was not disturbed since the time the dinosaurs made the footprints (before the formation of the coal)
2) That large amounts of sediment have accumulated on top of the coal since the footprints were layed down.
3) That large amounts of sediment accumulated below the footprints before the footprints were layed down.

As of yet, I have not seen a flood model explain formations like these footprints. If the fossil record is to be explained by the flood, then one of the following assumptions must be made.

1) The footprints were layed down before the flood, therefore, all the material (including the material that eventually became the coal) was layed down BEFORE the flood, therefore showing that either sediment accumulated rapidly in a young earth model without the flood. (This does not seem likely and would contradict most YEC flood models due to lack of a mechanism.

2) The footprints were layed down after the flood, therefore, all the material above them was layed down after the flood, therefore showing that sediment accumulated rapidly after the flood was over without the flood as an explaination (Again, this does not seem likely an would contradict most YEC flood models due to lack of a mechanism)

3) The footprints were layed down DURING the flood as dinosaurs were escaping. This would not explain the trees found in the formation and also would seem to indicate that the flood was rather gentle and non threatening, but somehow managed to cause all of this sediment.

4) The footprints and the trees were put there by God or Satan to deceive us.

This phenomena is just another specific piece of evidence that falsifies the worldwide flood as an explaination of the fossil record. This phenomena is just another specific piece of evidence that is ignored by Creation "Scientists". I use quotes around scientist in this case because, as scientists, those who espouse the flood model should look at evidence that falsifies their model instead of ignoring it. Those that ignore and fail to explain evidence like this in their model are not accurately described by the label of scientist.

Any bets on what YECs do with this piece of evidence?

Ohhh, pick me, pick me.

They will ignore it.
or
Pick one of the options that doesnt mesh with their other ideas.

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Green faeries

This is the first i've read about this.
I haven't read any dino-fossils except for the one by Dr.Carl Bough.
He proved that Dino and man walked together on earth and the same time-thus,proving evolution wrong......keep the faith

I honestly don't know much about what you say here. I do no that evolution has been proven wrong through Geology/Erosion.
Maybe there will be somebody on here who will have the argument about the topic here you want to argue.

[opinion].I personally think you spend to much time on those far left wing websites.Try thinking for yourself sometime,its fun!

Christians can't prove God.
Evolutionist can't prove the stupid nothing;
and have been proven wrong in Geology!!
At the end of the day it all adds up to the axiom of faith.

So keep whatever faith thou shalt choose to believe

But check the website your on.Are you sure that website is legit??
What if we rate it???

You mean the footprints that are false and/or fake?

The ones even AIG (a creationist group) says people not to use because they are fake?

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Green faeries

The dinosaur tracks are real but there are NO human tracks there.

Baugh is a charlatan who known nothing about science and he his claims are total nonsense but they should not be discussed further on this thread unless he has an explanation for the tracks that Notto mentions.

http://members.aol.com/paluxy2/paluxy.htm

No, young earth creationism has been proven wrong by many aspects of geology so what you "know" is false. We can't really blame you because you have been deceived. Look at the geology thread below.

Now how about some creationist trying to actually explain the dinosaur tracks?

To Notto: I really like you initial post. I was thinking of putting together a post on animals tracks and other trace fossils falsifing the worldwide flood. I am now thinking of putting it on this thread if that is OK with you. I don't think they would be off topic.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Originally Posted by FEZZILLA

This is the first i've read about this.
I haven't read any dino-fossils except for the one by Dr.Carl Bough.
He proved that Dino and man walked together on earth and the same time-thus,proving evolution wrong......keep the faith

I'm afraid prayer won't help here. As notto said, it is just one of THOUSANDS of falsifications of Flood Geology. And without Flood Geology, YEC can't stand. It's why scientists -- all of whom were Christian and many were ministers -- acknowledged that YEC was falsified by 1831.

The footprints touted by Carl Baugh have themselves been falsified. They are either 1) eroded dino prints or 2) forgeries by the local people to get tourists to visit the town.

Both ICR and AiG have stated as much and say that Baugh's "evidence" is false.

I personally think you spend to much time on those far left wing websites.Try thinking for yourself sometime,its fun!

Actually, notto was thinking for himself. Very nice deductive logic it was, too.

Christians can't prove God.
Evolutionist can't prove the stupid nothing;
and have been proven wrong in Geology!!

Evolution is not atheism and evolutionists are not atheists. That is one of the wrong premises behind your statement. At least half of evolutionary biologists in history have been Christians, starting with Darwin.

I'm afraid you have it backwards. Geology proved YEC wrong.

Originally Posted by FEZZILLA

But check the website your on.Are you sure that website is legit?? What if we rate it???

The website is legit. Articles have to survive peer-review and the author cited the peer-reviewed scientific literature.

What matters is the DATA, not the website. And the data isn't up for argument.

If you make deductions from Flood Geology, these footprints can't exist. Since they do exist, Flood Geology must be wrong.

Rating the website says nothing about the data, only about your biases.

That will not happen.

I do, however, predict that this thread will meander off-topic or slowly fade into oblivion.

Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff

That will not happen.

I do, however, predict that this thread will meander off-topic or slowly fade into oblivion.

I agree with both. Creationists will not address the issue because they can't. It's another one of the thousands of geological falsifications of Flood Geology. Shoot, the creationists could not address the other falsifications, which is why the honest creationists like Sedgwick admitted the theory was falsified.

If you can't address the argument, then a good debate tactic is distract. Which is why Fezzilla tried to bring up the dino/human footprints.

Of course, you can't really ignore falsifying evidence and honestly be searching for the truth. You can only ignore evidence if you are participating in the sport of debate and trying to "win" the debate with no care about truth.