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This one is for my evolutionist friends that always humor me.
Evolution is obviously a belief of a species changing thur millions of years thur either natural selection or mutation. If everything came from a single cell, how do we get male and female. Obviously a single cell doesnt have a particular sex, neither does simple forms of life. Evolution i guess evolved these species into different genders, why? How does natural selection tell a species to turn male or female, something obviously new to the early species. Is, of course, gets into the question of sex and reproduction. Some animals lay eggs while others have a gestation period. How do you get male and female from evolution.
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Conclusion: No parents, no evolution. A species would have to jump from a primitive form to a fully developed male and female, each with the ability and instinct to mate.
-What are the odds that the evolutionary process, proceeding by random changes, would produce a system in human reproduction whereby exactly 50% of offspring are male and 50% are female? Again - is there some sort of a plan here?
Have you ever heard of the amoeba Dictyostelium? It is single celled and divides asexually sometimes. But in conditions of low food supplies it reproduces sexually, exchanging genes with another member of the species. No "male" or "female", but a sexual exchange of genes. The new amoeba then form a cyst and divide asexually with the new genetic material. During the cyst formation, some of the cells will differentiate into a primitive eye with some cells acting as the lens. Then the cyst will break up into individual amoebas again and go their different ways in search of food. C Zimmer, The slime alternative. Discover 19: 86-93, 1998 (Sept)
So here you have sexual reproduction in a single celled organisms without the traditional male and female.
Then there is the volvox. This is an algae and has only about 20 cells in this multicelled organism. The cells are of two type: the soma (body cells) and the germ (sex) cells. So here you have the beginnings of specialized males and females, but not yet to the point of having specialized sexual organs. The sexual organs on both sexes are the same. DL Kirk Molecular-Genetic Origins of Multicellularity and Cellular Differentiation. Reviewed by G Bell in Development: Volvox. Science 282: 248, Oct. 9, 1998.
From here it is no problem having specialization into male and female.
Now, having offspring that are about 50:50 split between the sexes is not chance, but natural selection. Any major imbalance away from that ratio begins a runaway cascade that eventually leads to extinction. So any population with a variation that way is going to be selected against.
Worship4Ever, the answers to your questions are out there. The crime is that the professional creationists you trust have misled you to thinking that there are no answers. Of course, you are not required to pass on their false witness as fact. You could look for answers yourself, and one way to look is honestly ask here instead of throwing these out as unanswerable challenges.
And one again im humored, you never have yet explained altering to make sexual organs, lol. Yea, a cell can do the things you say, im talking about man.
And one again im humored, you never have yet explained altering to make sexual organs, lol. Yea, a cell can do the things you say, im talking about man.
Remember, humans evolved from a primate, which already had the sexual organs in place. Primates are mammals and evolved from reptiles, again with the sexual organs in place. Reptiles evolved from amphibians that evolved from fish, still with the sexual organs in place.
What I am talking about is the origin of those sexual organs back in invertebrates. In fact, back when cells first aggregated to form multicelled organisms. Since some organisms can still make a good living that way, they are still here. That is the volvox. They have the first separation of the cells of the body -- soma -- from the cells of sexual reproduction -- the germ cells. Humans still have germ cells -- called gametes. In females they are in the ovaries and in males in the testicles. But the process of meiosis in volvox and in the gametes of humans is the same. The situation in volvox is that neither gamete is a recognizable sperm or egg. They are the same, but still only have n chromosomes. When they merge you get 2n chromosomes. Which is just what happens in humans. The difference in humans is that one of the sets of chromosomes -- the X and Y -- carries special genes dictating certain different body shapes for males and females.
But it is easy to see that this can develop in steps later. In fact, the steps are preserved in fish, amphibians, and reptiles. Remember that most fish have the females eject the eggs and then the male ejects the sperm. No *****, no penetration of the female.
So, it is easy to see if one opens their eyes to see. I have never heard that God likes deliberate blindness. Have you heard differently?
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yikes... this fellow wrote a book called Islam and Buddhism that so misrepresents Buddism that i could barely discern that he was, in fact, writing about it. i haven't checked his statments on Islam, though i'm willing to stipulate to the fact that his representation of that would be more accurate.
now... on with the thread topic...
it's already been noted that there are not simply "two" sexes, even in humans.. let alone the other organisims that inhabit this planet.
if i didn't know better, it would almost seem like an after thought that God created females.. at least human ones. i'm not clear here... does the Bible mention making animals in male/female orientations at all? if so, is that prior to Adam and Eve?
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if i didn't know better, it would almost seem like an after thought that God created females.. at least human ones. i'm not clear here... does the Bible mention making animals in male/female orientations at all? if so, is that prior to Adam and Eve?
In Genesis 1, no. In Genesis 2, yes. Altho a companion for Adam is deliberately searched for and the female is the ONLY such fit companion. That doesn't sound quite like an afterthought. Remember that Israel is a patriarchal society. It is hardly surprising that this bias makes it into their creation stories.
There are several times in the OT where animals are supposed to "breed". The implication is that they are male and female. Remember, both creation stories have God making animals in their present form. Since their present form is male and female, then that means in Genesis 1 God makes them male and female.
In Genesis 1, no. In Genesis 2, yes. Altho a companion for Adam is deliberately searched for and the female is the ONLY such fit companion. That doesn't sound quite like an afterthought. Remember that Israel is a patriarchal society. It is hardly surprising that this bias makes it into their creation stories.
There are several times in the OT where animals are supposed to "breed". The implication is that they are male and female. Remember, both creation stories have God making animals in their present form. Since their present form is male and female, then that means in Genesis 1 God makes them male and female.
hmm... and there is a large distinction between "breed" and "propogate". thank you for the clarification
oh yes, most of the ancient cultures devalued women to a great extent.. except as, perhaps, a possession.
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Perhaps hermaphroditic species such as earthworms are some form of living "intermediate" between asexual reproductive systems and unchanging, set sexes.
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