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28th June 2003, 07:10 PM
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Reps: 313 (power: 0) | | | Occam's Razor Occam's razor states that the simplist explaination to a problem is probably the correct one. Isn't the theory that God created everything over just a few days much simpler than the theory that the stars, planets, and cell originated by themselves, followed by cells connecting together over several million years to form extremely complex organisms? | 
28th June 2003, 07:16 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Northern Christian Occam's razor states that the simplist explaination to a problem is probably the correct one. Isn't the theory that God created everything over just a few days much simpler than the theory that the stars, planets, and cell originated by themselves, followed by cells connecting together over several million years to form extremely complex organisms?
Here's a different statement of Occam's Razor: " One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything." - http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html
Based on that definition, it seems simpler to take God out the equation and go with purely natural processes. | 
28th June 2003, 07:23 PM
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Reps: 313 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Here's a different statement of Occam's Razor: " One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything." - http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html
Based on that definition, it seems simpler to take God out the equation and go with purely natural processes.
Evolutionists say that "this must have happened" and "that must have happened at that time," and so on, while Creationists can explain the origins of everything with Genesis 1.  Let's keep God in the picture, and throw out the "entities" such as "the world had to be this tempurature at this time," "comets had to hit the earth at this time," "the first cells had to originate by themselves," and so on. | 
28th June 2003, 07:26 PM
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So God only does add another "entity" - without providing additional informations.
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28th June 2003, 07:29 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Northern Christian Evolutionists say that "this must have happened" and "that must have happened at that time," and so on, while Creationists can explain the origins of everything with Genesis 1.  Let's keep God in the picture, and throw out the "entities" such as "the world had to be this tempurature at this time," "comets had to hit the earth at this time," "the first cells had to originate by themselves," and so on.
Supposedly I find an origin story that is simpler than Genesis. Does that mean it is correct and Genesis is false? | 
28th June 2003, 07:32 PM
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28th June 2003, 07:34 PM
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Reps: 313 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Supposedly I find an origin story that is simpler than Genesis.
Can you please explain how the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are simpler than Creationism? | 
28th June 2003, 07:35 PM
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Reps: 313 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Freodin The universe poofed into existence last thursday - you can´t get much simpler than that.
That's a strawman that Creationists do not claim. | 
28th June 2003, 07:37 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Northern Christian Can you please explain how the big bang theory and the theory of evolution are simpler than Creationism?
Can you please explain to me how the natural processes that exist in the universe are more complex than God? Because really, this is what you seem to be advocating. | 
28th June 2003, 07:38 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Northern Christian That's a strawman that Creationists do not claim.
But it's a simpler explanation of origins. Therefore, according to your 'logic', it must be correct. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |