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Old 2nd July 2003, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
That is the point that your trying to prove. That it is religious conviction and not the evidence that leads Dr. Wise to believe that the earth is 6000 years old. For some reason you seem to think that a few out of context quotes will establish your "point".
They prove that point quite well. I even used the quotations YOU provided in the other thread. Evidence is irrelevant to Wise. That he clings desperately onto a falsified notion of the age of the earth is based upon a religious motivation which has been more than well established on this thread as a fact. It's time for you to actually concede for once and discontinue your trolling games.
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Originally Posted by Mechanical Bliss
They prove that point quite well.
Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:

"I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young. Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. Thus I would suggest that the challenge you are trying to meet is unmeetable."
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:

"I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young. Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. Thus I would suggest that the challenge you are trying to meet is unmeetable."
So is this it, John? Are you giving up on the search and (finally) answering Pete's question with "claiming the earth is young based on scientific evidence alone is ignorance"? Just wondering.
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Originally Posted by NebraskaMan
So is this it, John? Are you giving up on the search and (finally) answering Pete's question with "claiming the earth is young based on scientific evidence alone is ignorance"? Just wondering.
He did not say it was ignorance, he said it was "scientifically ignorant". Why did you quote him out of context like that?

If Dr. Wise suggested the challange was "unmeetable", so I am not planning to put anymore time into it right now. He should know better than me.
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So is this it, John? Are you giving up on the search and (finally) answering Pete's question with "claiming the earth is young based on scientific evidence alone is ignorance"? Just wondering.
This seems to be what Kurt Wise is saying and he is a YEC with a Ph.D. in paleontology. Hmmm. How are you coming in finding someone?

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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:

"I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young....
Bingo. His motivation is religious, not scientific. You've refuted yourself again. Wise clearly is not an example that meets the requirements of the challenge.

"Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one....
He even admits that the scientific evidence "favors" and old earth. Evidently his position is has a theological motivation, not a scientific one. Evidence is irrelevant to him. The challenge was to find a geologist who disputes the age of the earth accepted by mainstream geology due to the evidence. He believes the earth is young because he must to preserve his interpretation of a religious text. He even recognizes that the evidence doesn't actually support his position.

"I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. Thus I would suggest that the challenge you are trying to meet is unmeetable."
So even Wise admits that your use of him as an answer to the challenge was inappropriate and that the challenge cannot be met because the evidence clearly does not indicate a young earth.

I guess that was finally your concession. Apparently us providing quotations of Wise's opinions and you yourself providing quotations of Wise's opinions weren't sufficient until he actually addressed you personally with the response which was what was clear pages ago.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Wise
Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant.
Looks like Dr. Wise thinks the challenge cannot be answered!

Thanks for reposting that e-mail, John, that was brave of you!
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Somehow I think JohnR7 thinks he won the argument.
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Maybe, but I think we should quit while we are ahead. At least we (almost) got him to admit that he was wrong.
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