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27th June 2003, 11:58 AM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | | In EVERYTHING give Thanks onto God. 1 Thes. 5:18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
The first time I read this passage, I really had to put a LOT of thought into it. I can see giving thanks and being grateful for all the good things in our life. After all, we were raised to say thank you and your welcome. But my parents never raised me to give thanks for EVERYTHING.
So, how can it be that we give thanks for everything in our life? Because in everything, God causes good to come out of it. This is no small reason for me to even be a christian. I do all I can to make sure I do not fall short of the grace of God, so that He does cause good to come out of EVERYTHING in my life.
Even when people come to God and get saved. He will then cause good to come out of everything that ever happened to them in their life, even before they came to God in order to get saved. So we have nothing to worry about, nothing to fear. We can rejoice in the Lord and we can always be glad. Because we know that no matter what happens to us in life, God is going to cause good to come out of it all.
The obvious question is going be: What is this post doing on the Science, Creation, Evolution forum? I am GLAD you asked that question. Because that I believe is the main point of contention between Darwinism and Christianity. Take a look at Darwin when he lost his daughter. He did not find any comfort in evolution, and he did not find any comfort in christianity either. WhY? Because Darwin fell short of the grace of God, and God was not doing a work in his life to cause good to come out of all that happened to him. At least as far as I know.
Let me try and make this more plain and more clear for you:
Psalm 139:14
I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
Psalm 19:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.
The heavens declare the glory of God;
and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Notice how the old english spelling uses Y instead of I for handywork. So please don't be giving me a hard time for using old english spelling.
This passage talks about the heavens and the firmament above. This is a referance to the sun and the moon and all the stars you see at night. David says they are the WORK of God's HANDS. They are God's handywork. They declair the Glory of God and when we see the work of God's hands than we can give Him praise, honor, glory and thanks.
Evolution does not give thanks onto God for ALL that He does and ALL He has done. Only Theistic Evolution even give God the credit for having created everything. But Darwinism, and Evolution do not declare the glory of God. That is what makes it offensive to christians. That they deny God and they deny that God is the creator of all we see.
I would venture to say, most christians do not care how God created all that He created. Perhaps most do not even care how old the earth and the universe is. What they do care about is that they do NOT fall short of the grace of God and so they want to make sure that in their life all things are going to work out for the good.
This then becomes a major point of contention between creationists and evolutionists. The evolutionary school tends not to give praise, honor and glory onto God. They tend not to give thanks for everything. They tend to fall short of the glory of God. Life then becomes pointless, if we fall short of the glory of God, then what is the use. Why should people have to suffer for no good reason if good is not going to come out of it?
For many christians then, Darwinism opens up a pandora's box, that releases all sorts of evil on mankind. It offers no hope and no comfort when it comes time to deal with the real issues of life. | 
27th June 2003, 12:02 PM
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27th June 2003, 12:13 PM
|  | Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist. 31  | | Join Date: 3rd November 2002 Location: A^2
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Furthermore, you insist on promoting the false equation of evolution to atheism.
Evolutionary biology deals with facts, not what you want to be true. Nothing you have said makes any statement on the veracity of evolutionary biology. It just shows that people are unwilling to accept what has been demonstrated well beyond reasonable doubt because they don't like it or the implications it has on their fragile view of what they want their god concept to be rather than what your god concept could be. | 
27th June 2003, 12:24 PM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mechanical Bliss It still has no business being on the science forum.
If you do not think this post belongs here, why don't you report it to a system adminstrator and get their opinion on it.
Or let's ask Erwin about it, sense he sent me a privite message to encouage me to continue to give a witness and a testimony for God here on forums that allow non christians to post.
Perhaps the system adminstrators should ask Erwin about me, to see if he supports me in what I am doing here on this forum or not.
Remember, this is a private forum. The internet maybe a very public highway, but when you enter into Erwin's server, then your a guest. Just like I am a guest here. It is no different than if Erwin invited us all over to his house and we were sitting in his living room.
So please do not put your feet up on the coffee table. Thanks. | 
27th June 2003, 12:33 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Creationist don't care about HOW God created the heavens and the earth, just that He did. And theres plenty of evidence stating that intelligent design is possible. I swear, I think God sometimes laughs about this. When people die, He's going to ask people, "really, all from nothing, huh?" | 
27th June 2003, 01:12 PM
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what evidence for ID?
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27th June 2003, 01:20 PM
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Reps: 62,343 (power: 74) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7
The obvious question is going be: What is this post doing on the Science, Creation, Evolution forum? I am GLAD you asked that question. Because that I believe is the main point of contention between Darwinism and Christianity. Take a look at Darwin when he lost his daughter. He did not find any comfort in evolution, and he did not find any comfort in christianity either. WhY? Because Darwin fell short of the grace of God, and God was not doing a work in his life to cause good to come out of all that happened to him. At least as far as I know.
I wouldn't find comfort in Evolution either, I prefer gravity myself, with the orbiting and the falling.
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27th June 2003, 01:22 PM
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Reps: 62,343 (power: 74) | | Originally Posted by worship4ever JohnR7, great post, creationist love to give ALL the glory to God.
Yes, even for all the stupid mistakes "he" made like giving humans a tail, then covering it up with a mutation.
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27th June 2003, 01:28 PM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by worship4ever Creationist don't care about HOW God created the heavens and the earth, just that He did. And theres plenty of evidence stating that intelligent design is possible. I swear, I think God sometimes laughs about this. When people die, He's going to ask people, "really, all from nothing, huh?"
Really? Then why are they trying to force their nonsense in biology classes?
Whether or not something is possible doesn't make something a valid theory. It's possible that I'm a great big purple dinosaur, but it's not probable. | 
27th June 2003, 01:30 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Arikay, we don't fight about it, we disagree with out about it. We disagree b.c evidence proves away from evolution and we want the glory given to God. See, when God said that He made humans, i believe him. Have you ever heard of the Cambrian explosion? |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |