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Old 10th December 2006, 06:13 PM
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Question St Peter's Basillica - Built with blood money?

How was the Basilica funded?

Did the Pope Leo X approve the controversial practice of selling indulgences?

Was all (or most) of the funding from the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica? If so, does this raise an ethical problem since the CC condemned the practice of selling indulgences? Does this mean the Basilica was built with money obtained through sin and deception?
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Old 10th December 2006, 06:39 PM
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No. The Pope never approved of selling indulgences. Nor has the Catholic Church ever advocated or approved of the "selling" of indulgences. That's basically anti-Catholic propaganda.

At one time indulgences could be gained by various means, among them acts of charity. ONE of the ways in which an indulgence could be gained was to make, as an act of charity, a monetary donation (in lieu of, say, some other form of alms giving). Now, this did indeed digress, through abuse, into what ended up amounting to what could be said to be "selling" of them (due to some perhaps well-meaning but possibly unscrupulous clergy).

But it was never the practice of "the Catholic Church" (or any Pope) to "sell" indulgences. As I said, that's basically anti-Catholic propaganda.

Moreover, when the practice (of accepting monetary donations) was so abused as to give the impression of "selling" them, (for the reason mentioned above), it was discontinued (the practice of accepting monetary donations as an act of charity in place of other acts, though not indulgences themsleves) by the Church. So . . . "selling" indulgences was never approved of by either the Church or the Popes. Next question.
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So, did Luther make it up when he said there were abuses?

And if there were abuses did any of this money find its way to bulding the Basilica?

And where did the rest of the money come from to build the Basilica?
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So, did Luther make it up when he said there were abuses?

And if there were abuses did any of this money find its way to bulding the Basilica?

And where did the rest of the money come from to build the Basilica?
No, Luther was correct to say there were abuses. He went the wrong way in how he tried to change the abuses.

If there were abuses and the money made its way to the building of the Basilica, it is still the Church's money given to them.

The rest of the money came from regular donations, etc.
The Catholic Church doesn't have very many options when it comes to making money. We run mostly on the charity of the members of the Body.
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So, did Luther make it up when he said there were abuses?
Nope. He just went about it the wrong way.

And if there were abuses did any of this money find its way to bulding the Basilica?
There were, definitely, abuses. But what do you suppose should have been done? Were they to separate which bricks came from each source? How would that be done, exactly?

And where did the rest of the money come from to build the Basilica?
Other sources?
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I'm a little confused... where does the "blood money" come into the picture?
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I used a shocking topic to get some attention and hopefully more responses. Sorry

It isn't "Blood Money", just money acquired through sin and deception. IF it were the case as outlined above.
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I used a shocking topic to get some attention and hopefully more responses. Sorry

It isn't "Blood Money", just money acquired through sin and deception. IF it were the case as outlined above.
Children born out of wedlock are also acquired through sin (and sometimes even deception). That doesn't mean the children are invalid in God's eyes.

Sin is an action, not a substance.
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It isn't "Blood Money", just money acquired through sin and deception. IF it were the case as outlined above.
"Blood money" means that someone was killed in the process, usually.

Yes, there were abuses, Luther had a valid complaint. However, think... if you are the pope, and you are trying to guide the Church, the Church has its rules (i.e. indulgences cannot be sold)... how do you prevent a small group of greedy opportunists from NOT selling them? Basically, where there is a "market," someone will try to exploit it. The Church will do what it can to crack down on various abuses... sometimes it does it successfully, sometimes it does a bad job,,, but the point remains that the illegal actions of some renegade clergy do not become "the teaching of the Church." just because some people get away with things like this.
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[Mod Hat Post]

Closing Temporarily For Clean up.

This thread has now been cleaned up, I would like to remind folks to please remember the [rule1.4]

AND please keep to the OP topic.

Thread Reopened, thanks for your patience..

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