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11th December 2006, 02:16 PM
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11th December 2006, 05:25 PM
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11th December 2006, 06:04 PM
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Keep on asking.
BTW, Luther made a bigger deal than he should have. Going after the Church and not the inidividuals did not proove a point.
He just created the chaos we see today.
He should have been or remained obedient, and did this in a whole different manner than the path he choose. IMHO.
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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Pray for your departed loved ones ~ even if you do not believe in purgatory - what harm can come from praying for them?
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of the flesh. For the flesh
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, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other: that you may not do the things that you would. |
11th December 2006, 06:06 PM
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My 11 year old nephew is like that too. He gets into all sorts of trouble at school just to get the attention of his disinterested father.
Just a thought...
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11th December 2006, 06:14 PM
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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Pray for your departed loved ones ~ even if you do not believe in purgatory - what harm can come from praying for them?
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11th December 2006, 06:39 PM
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Reps: 2,744,328,958,185,667,072 (power: 2,744,328,958,185,690) | | Originally Posted by Vedant  Children born out of wedlock are also acquired through sin (and sometimes even deception). That doesn't mean the children are invalid in God's eyes.
Sin is an action, not a substance.
Including the birth of Solomon from a marriage that came about only through adultery and murder, even the lineage of Jesus was brought about by some who quite literally had blood on their hands.
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11th December 2006, 07:12 PM
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Reps: 2,744,328,958,185,667,072 (power: 2,744,328,958,185,690) | | | The Renaissance families of the Italian peninsula in these times were increasingly rich, urbane, and great patron of the arts. while how much of St Peter's was funded by corrupt church practices is open to speculation, what is also true is the very existence of an urbane, artistic cities such as florence and Venice was very offensive to the rural peasant clases that characterized the rest of Christendom at these times.
It was the very grandeur of St Peter's that most offended the austere puritanism of tthe German peasants. Europe at the time was growing out of its medieval, feudal past, and this caused the usual fear and resentment in the classes of people that just hadn't arrived yet. St Peter's was a product of the new wealth of the new bourgoise, and as a the visible symbol of that new wealth and urbaness, it was the very existence of St Peter's that was as offensive as how it may or may not have been financed.
Comparitvely speaking, the previoius wealth generated by corrupt Church practices was of an agrarian scale of simpler age. The new wealth was generated from trade and commerce, and artisans. Two hundred years of similar corrupt church practices generated nothing as magnificent as St Peter's. With or without corruption, a feudal economy was just not capable of generating the scale of wealth necessary to finance such a project.
A production the size and scale of St Peter's could have only come about as a result of the new wealth of the Renaissance economy. Even if the Protestant countries emerging in the Netherlands and England would eventually embrace the urbane values of the Renaissance cities of the Italian peninsula and amalgamate those values into a new Protestant puritanism, at the time the German peasantry could only resent the new classes and the new wealth so extravagantly displayed with the construction of St Peters.
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11th December 2006, 08:50 PM
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Reps: 3,389,051,619,810 (power: 3,389,051,635) | | Originally Posted by TheListener How was the Basilica funded?
Did the Pope Leo X approve the controversial practice of selling indulgences?
Was all (or most) of the funding from the selling of indulgences to build the Basilica? If so, does this raise an ethical problem since the CC condemned the practice of selling indulgences? Does this mean the Basilica was built with money obtained through sin and deception?
Some of it probably was......a lot of sinners donated money, some probably tried to influence certain Bishops, etc...
Fast forward............how many churches today do you think were built on the backs of drug money, crime, etc......one only has to look at the practices of some mega churches to know what I mean  ........Lord have mercy
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11th December 2006, 08:52 PM
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