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Old 10th December 2006, 03:51 PM
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Expell the immoral brother?

Has anyone here ever expelled the immoral brother? What are your thoughts on the following?
1 Corinthians 5

Expel the Immoral Brother!

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature[a] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[b]
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Originally Posted by newleaf View Post
Has anyone here ever expelled the immoral brother? What are your thoughts on the following?
1 Corinthians 5

Expel the Immoral Brother!

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature[a] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[b]
There was a huge discussion on that on The Anabaptist board. You may want to check it out...

http://www.christianforums.com/t4141...ing-on-gt.html

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Has anyone here ever expelled the immoral brother? What are your thoughts on the following?
1 Corinthians 5

Expel the Immoral Brother!

1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature[a] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[b]
I laugh at how this passage is applied nowafays .

I have seen groups threaten to excommunicate people for the stupidest things . I then learn that adultry is quite rampant in christian circles but see absolutely no threads on that .

The thing is , nowadays , threatening to expel someone doesn't do much good unless you have first made the thought of not being a part of the group the same as damning them to Hell . Many in home "churches" know more than anyone else that a) there is no law about needing to "go to church" , and b) there are plenty of other groups around if one is kicked out of their current group .

Now , I have no problem in telling people to not come back if they are troublesome in some way . I don't consider that a passage is needed for that , though . Of course , patience is recommended .
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Yet, perhaps by refusing to eat with a so called brother/sister, who lives a life characterized by sin, will shame him/her into stopping.
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Yet, perhaps by refusing to eat with a so called brother/sister, who lives a life characterized by sin, will shame him/her into stopping.
I beleive that is one of the intended results of church discipline.
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Yet, perhaps by refusing to eat with a so called brother/sister, who lives a life characterized by sin, will shame him/her into stopping.
That wouldn't do anything for me .
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MAYBE instead look to Jesus' teachings, parables (especially the prodigal son) and imagine how Jesus would not cast those out, but seek salvation for them.

I know personally, those Christians whom I admire most are the ones who live a good example, to be something or someone that others would want to be....

I would not expel the immoral, but teach him and help him learn the Right Path......After all, that would be more pleasing to God
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MAYBE instead look to Jesus' teachings, parables (especially the prodigal son) and imagine how Jesus would not cast those out, but seek salvation for them.

I know personally, those Christians whom I admire most are the ones who live a good example, to be something or someone that others would want to be....

I would not expel the immoral, but teach him and help him learn the Right Path......After all, that would be more pleasing to God
Won't Jesus be saying "depart from me, I never knew you"?

There is a line that even Jesus draws.

Additionally, God has those verses in His Word for a reason.
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But Jesus was not afraid to associate with sinners - why should we be any different?

Should they not have help from others in the "church" to walk with them and be accountable too?
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But Jesus was not afraid to associate with sinners - why should we be any different?

Should they not have help from others in the "church" to walk with them and be accountable too?
Good point, people think they can act like God and judge people...God is the judge, not us.
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