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Old 24th June 2003, 01:46 PM
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Evolution is NOT atheism

We have to say this so often, I thought it also deserved to be posted again. And I have posted the Darwin quotes several times, so here they are in an opening post so people can see that evolution was NEVER atheism. And is not atheism now.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved." C. Darwin, On the Origin of Species, pg 450.

Also: "To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual." pg. 449.

You can't very well speak of "the Creator" and be atheistic.
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Old 24th June 2003, 08:44 PM
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Nobody ever said that evolution is atheism, well at least i dont say it is, but theres a fine line between believing the bible as the word of God. It says pretty plainly that God made humans, not evolved them. And theres plently of scientific evidence to back it up, its just not mainstream or taught in the schools as a second opinion. I think people on this site know a bit about evolution, science, ect, but unfortantly most dont and never question it.
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Nobody ever said that evolution is atheism, well at least i dont say it is, but theres a fine line between believing the bible as the word of God. It says pretty plainly that God made humans, not evolved them. And theres plently of scientific evidence to back it up, its just not mainstream or taught in the schools as a second opinion. I think people on this site know a bit about evolution, science, ect, but unfortantly most dont and never question it.
A lot of creationists assume evolution=atheism, you see it here all the time.

The Bible also says "plainly" that fire-breathing sea serpents exist, there's a storehouse in the sky holding rain and water and that the Emperor taxed "all the world", despite the fact that "all the world" had not been discovered yet.
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Yeah, quite often Evolution is mistaken for Atheism.

What scientific evidence is there that god made humans and didnt evolve them?
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This seems like a good place to add my quote from the Bishop of Oxford, especially since the original link doesn't work any more:

"First, the theory of evolution, far from undermining faith, deepens it.* This was quickly seen by Frederick Temple, later Archbishop of Canterbury, who said that God doesn't just make the world, he does something even more wonderful, he makes the world make itself.* God has given creation a real independence and the miraculous fact is that working in relation to this independent life God has, as it were, woven creation from the bottom upwards: with matter giving rise to life and life giving rise to conscious reflective existence in the likes of you and me.* The fact that the universe probably began about 12 billion years ago with life beginning to evolve about 3 billion years ago simply underlines the extraordinary detailed, persistent, patience of the divine creator spirit."

http://www.oxford.anglican.org/tftd.php?id=178
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Great article here, please read.

http://www.geocities.com/lvoegtli/godexists.htm
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Old 25th June 2003, 01:27 AM
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Until i read in the bible (THE WORD OF GOD) that humans evolved from a single cell, i wont believe, plus theres plently of supporting scientific evidence to back up intelligent design, read post above
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Old 25th June 2003, 01:31 AM
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There is no "word of god" that computers existed. So I guess they dont. No word of god about cars either.
There is a lot of word of god about a possible flat earth though.

The article came to a faulty conclusion because Complexity does Not need an inteligent designer. Evolution does just fine at "designing"
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Originally Posted by akscience
Until i read in the bible (THE WORD OF GOD) that humans evolved from a single cell, i wont believe,
Why then, dont you also say you dont beleive in other things that are not mentioned in the bible.

Until i read in the bible that DNA exists, I wont beleive
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Old 25th June 2003, 01:41 AM
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ReUsAble, dude, get real. The bible doesn't spoon feed you. What it does say is that God created Man, not evovled them. I'm shocked that you actually took the 30 seconds time to actually respond to such an asburb notion
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