Dr. Dino

Buck, how much have you studied the subject in general? What percentage of your investigation of these matters is actually Hovind himself?

Are you aware that he has actually been all but disowned, and his integrity called into question, by the leading Young Earth Creation Groups?

His science only sounds good to those who don't know any better. He purposefully uses facts he knows to have been proven false, he uses debate tactics rather than factual evidence to persuade people. He will only debate with his opponents live, rather than in writing for this reason. He is persuasive the way Hitler was persuasive. If you are going to tell a lie, tell a big one and make sure it what the audience wants to hear!

The attacks on him are so virulent from both Christians and non-Christians for different reasons. Christians realize he is a huge detriment to the cause of Christianity and non-Christians are annoyed by the way he misrepresents the facts and persuades the gullible to remain in ignorance.

Please read all the Hovind threads around here before you make judgments about our conclusions.

ROFL, his science is solid? Here's an example of his "science":

"the "ancient horse" (hyracotherium) is not a horse, but is just like the hyrax still alive in turkey and east africa today "- Kent Hovind

I'd say you need to study his series more closely.

Now...give the man a modicum of credit. He is a warrior for the truth of God and he will be vindicated by his Lord

That is not an excuse for lying. A bad tree does not produce good apples. His judgement will come.

For those of you who sit on your fat parts at home and type up a bunch of garbage against a man you do not even know or have taken the time to learn from yourself - shame on you.

Unless I'm mistaken, you are doing the same thing to us. Which did Christ denounce the worst? The sinners or the hypocrites?

Perhaps you'd be better off matching his laudable level of productivity in some area where you could offer a positive contribution, if that's even possible.

You think lying to people is a "positive contribution"?

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Oh, btw, I actually had one Hovind groupie tell me that it really didn't matter whether he was telling the truth or had his facts straight. If he misrepresented something and it was able to persuade someone not to believe in evolution or that the earth is billions of years old, then in the end it was a good thing.

Of course, this attitude should be abhorrent to any true Christian, but I wonder how many YEC's would go along with this person.

Like thinking up more lies to deceive gulliable creationists?

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They should convert anyone who knows nothing about science.

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We don't hate him, we just don't like how he lies to gulliable creationists. He gives them a simple explaination that anyone can understand as to why evolution is false and you believe it because he tells you what you want to hear.

I have viewed his seminar and studied his series carefully. His science is solid. He does have a rather dry sense of humor, and he hates evolution activists fouling up the textbooks with "science" that automatically converts theory to fact without any empirical evidence. His platform is what he feels is his calling: To advance creation science in the face of OVERWHELMING opposition from politically-inclined evolutionists that despise him to the core of his baptist soul. Evolution does have plenty of gaping holes to poke your finger in...just deal with it!

Are you really qualified to make that judgement? Lets find out...what is evolution?


He's a liar and a fraud who feeds you information you want to hear and in a simple form so you can bring it back to your "Wednesday Night Bible Study"
(as Lorenz would say lol) and astonish all your scientifically illiterate chums by "falsifying evolution" (of course you actually falsify a strawman) and showing anyone can falsify a scientific theory.

Perhaps you'd be better off matching his laudable level of productivity in some area where you could offer a positive contribution, if that's even possible.

Perhaps you should read a Biology text book then see how "solid" his science is. Oh I forgot, "The Evil Atheist Conspiracy" has tampered with the text books, replacing "The Truth" with Evilushonist propaganda in an attempt to take over the world and crush Christianity.

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Yeah, despise is a good word for it. I despise someone who unashamedly lies, repeatedly. I despise someone who is so dishonest that other creationists have disavowed his work. I despise someone who preys on the gullability of others. I despise someone who doesn't pay his taxes. I despise someone who got a Ph.D. with a thesis that is pure BS.

I must have logged into the wrong forum...I was looking for http://www.christianforums.com

How noble, the brave knight, Sir Kent Hovind riding out to do battle with the eviloutionists. Makes me all teary inside. Perhaps you'd like to point out those gaping holes? Oh wait, they all get filled when you point them out. If you think they don't, try it. Post any point you like.

Now...give the man a modicum of credit. He is a warrior for the truth of God and he will be vindicated by his Lord, either now, or in the age to come. For those of you who sit on your fat parts at home and type up a bunch of garbage against a man you do not even know or have taken the time to learn from yourself - shame on you.

The noble knight, Kent Hovind, off to fight he goes. Soon the evilutionists will tremble. Oh wait, he hasn't actually done anything.

Perhaps you'd be better off matching his laudable level of productivity in some area where you could offer a positive contribution, if that's even possible.

Rule #2, just broken. As usual it's easier to flame then prove an unprovable point.

A reminder to all:

This is the "Creation Science & Theistic Evolution" forum. Only Christians are permitted to post here. If you are a non-Christian, please refrain from posting here. There is another forum, "Science, Creation & Evolution", which is in the open forums area, and all are permitted to post in that forum. This one is for Christians Only.

I can understand what you are saying, Buck. We as Christians should not be demonizing another Christian, no matter who they are. And, I fully agree with that.

Too many times, in the heat of discussions, people tend to target the person instead of the person's position statements. I believe that Kent Hovind is a Christian who is extremely dedicated to the Lord. There's no doubt in my mind about that.

I do have problems with his claims about how science supports a young earth, however. Most of his 'scientific findings' are not validated by the scientific community as a whole, have not been published in any scientific journals, and are generally targeted to the layman with limited scientific knowledge, and therefore have no reference point to judge his claims. Even the Christian website, "Answers in Genesis", has distanced itself from many of Hovind'd claims.

Now if he just said, "According to my interpretation of scripture, I believe the earth is young.", and left it at that, we would not be having this discussion. But, the moment he starts making scientific claims to back his position, he opens himself to scrutiny from the scientific community....just like any other scientific claim is subject to. His claims happen to fail miserably in the scientific community, thus, none of his findings are published in the international scientific journals.

If one wants to believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis, that's great. That is a personal choice, between them and God. But, once that belief is placed in the scientific arena, they had better be prepared for some serious scrutiny and arguments from the scientists in most disciplines.

Science remains neutral in regards to God. Science is not out to prove or disprove God. There is no "Science vs God".

I may have discovered the problem you all have with Hovind...he makes evolution look stupid. I must ask, how many of you folks here actually believe in evolution?

I defended a man who is railed against without cause other than a host of staunch accusations that he is a "liar", but there seems to be an evidence deficit. The tiny horse comparison seems hysterical enough, I'm certain there is more to it than you presented troodon. I'll look into it with the whole story instead of some unsubstantiated snippet from "google.com"

AiG seems to find fault with him, but suprise, they are an "interpretive" biblical research ministry while Hovind is "literal". AiG does not take the word of God literally, they feel it needs to be interpreted. Okay - that settles the LIAR thing. Now let's start a thread about literal verses interpretive, we'll have plenty to go for that one I'm sure.

I do not agree with many of you, nor will you agree with me, but that doesn't make any of us liars outright does it? Now, I do have a bone to pick with evolution, so indulge me in a small rant:

If you guys are so sold on evolution and can beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt prove it...

Prove it. I dare you...start another thread, I'll be happy to indulge you with backwards ideas that God actually created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days, the flood, etc. I'm game.

Evolution is a destructive theory that has fostered a fanatical cult following of people that hate God and despise any form of biblical counsel. It is as religious as it claims to be scientific.

It is the most magnificent lie of our time and oh how many turn their backs to God to induldge in its sweet offer to "have it your way". Evolution is a backstage pass to sin without consequence. Why not support it? Hey I can live life to the fullest without all of the obedience to some "imaginary" God that those dumb creationists argue made this place.

Hovind has a successful, soul-winning ministry. I have many family, and friends that actually have brains capable of critical, scientific thought, who have either renewed or found faith through Hovind's efforts. This guy isn't scamming people, he really cares about people. He cares about science. He is by no means without flaw, who the heck is? But he is living a brighter life for Christ than most of us - why the despising of this guy Phoenix? Who are you? And troodon - come on.

Evolutionists rebuffed by Peter:

2Pe 3:3-7 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

"Willingly ignorant" means "Stupid on purpose"

wblastyn: My qualifications consist of a MS is Physics and Aerodynamics. Now, granted that doesn't make me superman when it comes to evolutionary biology, but I do understand the fundamentals of physical matter clearly enough to know the difference between solid science and artificial science. I'm also a christian, and know the difference between a real christian and a fake one; I see character clearly enough to testify that Hovind is real - I'm not sure where AiG is, but they seem a bit argumentative...I'll look into them more closely. I believe in the Beginning 'God'...you may argue in the Beginning 'Dirt'. Well, I believe I may have missed your qualifications in your questioning of my own - do you have any beliefs of your own? Most folks that attack Hovind seem to be from the subjective relativism crowd that holds to a "dogma du jour" philosophy; "What's today's special, Reverend? Is it okay to kill babies, or marry gays now, or should we wait until enough political pressure causes us to change our mind (and doctrine) next year?"

Romans 1 makes a better point than I can. God's word does that better than our words. Thanks for allowing me the rant fellas. Good night.

Rom 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.