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13th April 2003, 02:52 PM
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13th April 2003, 02:57 PM
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For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39 |
13th April 2003, 07:14 PM
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I'm also waiting to find out how a designer (whoever or whatever they are) actually effects such design upon the world.
Until those two basic questions get answered, the whole ID movement will be little more than poor attempt at saying "Goddidit". |
13th April 2003, 09:25 PM
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13th April 2003, 09:36 PM
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13th April 2003, 09:51 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | One can only look at certain things and think the intelligent designer must be a pure idiot. Why do men have nipples when they can't nurse babies? Who created AIDS? Who created smallpox? Who created Mlaria? Who created parasites? You'd possibly get a false positive for all of the Above using ID criteria. And I'd rather not worship a being who creates something like HIV/AIDS that makes 50 million people suffer.
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13th April 2003, 10:05 PM
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There are the many flaws, and oddities that make you question what the designer was thinking when he made them. Today at 05:51 PM Chris H said this in Post #6
One can only look at certain things and think the intelligent designer must be a pure idiot. Why do men have nipples when they can't nurse babies? Who created AIDS? Who created smallpox? Who created Mlaria? Who created parasites? You'd possibly get a false positive for all of the Above using ID criteria. And I'd rather not worship a being who creates something like HIV/AIDS that makes 50 million people suffer.
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13th April 2003, 10:19 PM
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Reps: 5,398 (power: 17) | | | HIV has only been around since, maybe the mid 80's so basically it's a new disease.
Also that new pnemonia that has killed around 113 people around the world and that started in Asia is said to be a caused by a mutation of a different disease, isn't that sort of like evolution?
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Doubt is a powerful tool, it helps filter out lies. You can say that doubt is related to honesty, yet, religious followers will never doubt their beliefs.
The fact that God did not care to inspire mankind in the translation of his scriptures makes me doubt if he would care to inspire his scriptures in the first place
Being punished for holding an opinion that Jesus may not be God is as wacky as being punished for not having green as our favorite color. |
13th April 2003, 10:40 PM
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Reps: 295,212,687,427,838,720 (power: 0) | | Today at 08:36 PM notto said this in Post #5
If you find a watch wrapped around an Indian arrowhead inside a 747 washed up on a beach by a tornado next to a junkyard, it is intelligently designed. Otherwise, it was a natural process of "chance".
If it's not intelligently designed, then there must be one heck of a story.
Or maybe the pilot was just having a really bad day... |
13th April 2003, 11:36 PM
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Reps: 5,365 (power: 27) | | Although I cant remember but awhile back I did some research on HIV because of someone claiming that is was a Genetically enginiered Virus made by the CIA in the 70's to target and kill gay people.
Ignoring how stupid their claim sounds, I found that some of the first cases of HIV are from around the 50's and some believe it goes back even further than that. Today at 06:19 PM Osiris said this in Post #8
HIV has only been around since, maybe the mid 80's so basically it's a new disease.
Also that new pnemonia that has killed around 113 people around the world and that started in Asia is said to be a caused by a mutation of a different disease, isn't that sort of like evolution?
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