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11th April 2003, 08:46 PM
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Science, real science—the work that ferrets out empirical facts about the nature that surrounds us—has been co-opted by an ancient philosophical/religious doctrine the origins of which can be traced back to at least 400-700 years before Christ. Known today variously as scientism, evolutionism, metaphysical naturalism, and Darwinism, this doctrine has been so effectively interlaced with science that it is often difficult for the scientist, much less the layperson, to separate the two.
Though secular in perspective (Darwinists claim the natural world is all there is), Darwinism nevertheless functions much like a religion. Darwinists have their own creation story (macro-evolution), their own creed (the Humanist Manifesto), their own “messiah figures” (those who come claiming, “Come, follow us. We know the ways of life.”), their own clergy (those whose task it is to preach the “truth” as revealed by the high priests), and their own priesthood (those who pass down to the masses their latest ruminations in naturalistic thought).
Excerpt from © Gary L. Achtemeier, Ph.D.
[Last Modified: 10 March 2002]
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11th April 2003, 08:56 PM
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Once again we see the fallacy of equating evolutionary concepts with atheism.
Let me spell it out for you in nice big letters:
Evolution is NOT atheism.
If some people want to mix up evolution within their own philosophical ideals, then that's there problem.
Now, Freedom777, please think before you post any more of these. It's getting a little tiring. |
11th April 2003, 09:01 PM
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Just as good as many of the conspiracy theories that claim the free masons and the illuminati are part of a secrect New World Order.
Are you sure you arent really a conspiracy theoriest?
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11th April 2003, 09:07 PM
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*choke*
That was rather humorous. I'd love to see you try to present evidence for this assertion. Traced back to 700 years before Christ? Darwinism? Righto.
Evolution is not a religion, no matter how much you want it to be.
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11th April 2003, 11:38 PM
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Though secular in perspective (Darwinists claim the natural world is all there is)
No. They. Do. Not. |
12th April 2003, 12:20 AM
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Today at 07:46 PM Freedom777 said this in Post #1
Science, real science—the work that ferrets out empirical facts about the nature that surrounds us—has been co-opted by an ancient philosophical/religious doctrine the origins of which can be traced back to at least 400-700 years before Christ. Known today variously as scientism, evolutionism, metaphysical naturalism, and Darwinism, this doctrine has been so effectively interlaced with science that it is often difficult for the scientist, much less the layperson, to separate the two.
Though secular in perspective (Darwinists claim the natural world is all there is), Darwinism nevertheless functions much like a religion. Darwinists have their own creation story (macro-evolution), their own creed (the Humanist Manifesto), their own “messiah figures” (those who come claiming, “Come, follow us. We know the ways of life.”), their own clergy (those whose task it is to preach the “truth” as revealed by the high priests), and their own priesthood (those who pass down to the masses their latest ruminations in naturalistic thought).
Excerpt from © Gary L. Achtemeier, Ph.D.
[Last Modified: 10 March 2002]
AAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
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12th April 2003, 12:25 AM
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12th April 2003, 01:02 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Hold on to your hats, folks. Funny as the excerpt may be, it gets better! Gary L. Achtemeier, PhD., is a bona fide meteorologist. That's right! A real scientist! No wonder Freedom777 looks to him as an expert on evolutionary biology...he has letters behind his name!
It seems he is based in Athens, GA. Here are a couple of links unrelated to the question at hand: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...--***30502.php www.srs.fs.usda.gov/disturbance/Nov2002PLR.pdf
Now, Freedom, tell me...is your excerpt, by any chance, from Achtemeier's address to the Christian Student Survival Conference, entitled "Evolution: Fact, Fallacy or Fantasy"? Though I haven't been able to link directly to the speech, it seems he was on the bill: http://www.leaderu.com/cl-institute/...urvival02.html
Now that we've received the scientific lowdown from the meteorological community, do you have anything from a qualified biologist, or am I to assume that you are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel? Do you guys even look into your sources before posting, or is it some kind of fundamentalist reflex action?
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12th April 2003, 01:25 AM
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12th April 2003, 01:31 AM
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Reps: 770 (power: 0) | | Whats REALLY funny is that if any REAL scientist tried to show any evidence that falsified evolution, he would be immediatley dismissed anyway.
AND probably would never be put in any real position again.  | | |
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