The Hittites

JohnR7 · #1 11th April 2003, 06:52 AM

I am a little disappointed that no one seems to want to put any sort of effort into doing a study on the Hittites. It would seem that science has the most to gain from this one.

It seems the Hittites showed up about 4000 years ago, in what is now modern Turkey. They were a fierce people, dreaded even by the Egyptians for their abilty to fight a war with their chariots. They had developed iron, they had a system of astronomy, they invented the first iron and wood wheel, and most important of all, they were farmers. With their ability to wage a war, they took over some of the best farm land available at the time, and managed to hold onto it for at least 1000 years.

Christians have long believed that they most likly decended from Noah through his son Ham. But there is evidence in Egypt, that the Hittites were a yellow skinned Mongolian people. So it seems to me that evolutionists would have the most to gain, if they could show that the Hittites were an Asian people who migrated to the furtile cresent from the east, and did not decend from Noah at all.

It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. Just a lot of speculation. But with all the DNA research looking into the genologys of man. Science is going to need to get over their generalities and start to get their findings to line up with what we already historically know from Anthropology and Archeology and ancient written records.

The Chaldean's and the Assyrian's go back just about as far as the Hittites do, and there are still quite a few Chaldeans and Assyrians alive in Iraq today. In fact the capital of Chaldea: Ur is said to be one of the best preserved ancient cities today.

 

Arikay · #2 11th April 2003, 07:16 AM

Well, the Iron age is thought to have started around 1000 B.C.E or 3000 years ago. One interesting thing is that it is believed that steel was stumbled apon during the Iron age, but no one realized what they had, or why it happend, but some "iron" weapons could also be classified as Low carbon steel.

"It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. "

Please, tell me the claims that evolutionists are not backing up?

Today at 02:52 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

I am a little disappointed that no one seems to want to put any sort of effort into doing a study on the Hittites. It would seem that science has the most to gain from this one.

It seems the Hittites showed up about 4000 years ago, in what is now modern Turkey. They were a fierce people, dreaded even by the Egyptians for their abilty to fight a war with their chariots. They had developed iron, they had a system of astronomy, they invented the first iron and wood wheel, and most important of all, they were farmers. With their ability to wage a war, they took over some of the best farm land available at the time, and managed to hold onto it for at least 1000 years.

Christians have long believed that they most likly decended from Noah through his son Ham. But there is evidence in Egypt, that the Hittites were a yellow skinned Mongolian people. So it seems to me that evolutionists would have the most to gain, if they could show that the Hittites were an Asian people who migrated to the furtile cresent from the east, and did not decend from Noah at all.

It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. Just a lot of speculation. But with all the DNA research looking into the genologys of man. Science is going to need to get over their generalities and start to get their findings to line up with what we already historically know from Anthropology and Archeology and ancient written records.

The Chaldean's and the Assyrian's go back just about as far as the Hittites do, and there are still quite a few Chaldeans and Assyrians alive in Iraq today. In fact the capital of Chaldea: Ur is said to be one of the best preserved ancient cities today.

 

JohnR7 · #3 11th April 2003, 09:30 AM

Today at 06:16 AM Arikay said this in Post #2

Well, the Iron age is thought to have started around 1000 B.C.E or 3000 years ago.

You need to study your history a little bit better than that. The iron age goes back at least 4000 years.

One interesting thing is that it is believed that steel was stumbled apon during the Iron age, but no one realized what they had, or why it happend, but some "iron" weapons could also be classified as Low carbon steel.

It has a lot to do with the furnice and how hot you can get it. If you can only get it up to 7 or 800 degrees, your not going to have as pure of iron as you can get at 1000 degrees. Also, it has to do with the quality of the iron you get out of the ground. The best iron comes from Germany, the Philippines and Eastern America. That is one of the main reasons Japan attacked the Philippines during the war, was they wanted their natural resources.

"It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. "

Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

With what we know about DNA, it should not be hard to prove that not everyone alive today decended from Adam and Eve. If what they are saying is true.

Arikay · #4 11th April 2003, 04:09 PM

And what type of fuel and forge they were using. Quite often, a coal fueled forge would empart some of its carbon to the iron, making it a low carbon piece of steel.

Can you give me a link, all of the information ive found says the Iron age starts at around 1000 B.C.E.

Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

Um, are you sure evolutionists are making this claim?

Today at 05:30 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #3

You need to study your history a little bit better than that. The iron age goes back at least 4000 years.

It has a lot to do with the furnice and how hot you can get it. If you can only get it up to 7 or 800 degrees, your not going to have as pure of iron as you can get at 1000 degrees. Also, it has to do with the quality of the iron you get out of the ground. The best iron comes from Germany, the Philippines and Eastern America. That is one of the main reasons Japan attacked the Philippines during the war, was they wanted their natural resources.

Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

With what we know about DNA, it should not be hard to prove that not everyone alive today decended from Adam and Eve. If what they are saying is true.

Zadok001 · #5 11th April 2003, 04:36 PM

"Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants."

Evolutionists don't make that claim. YOU make that claim. Burden of proof is on you to prove that 4/5 of Europe descended from Adam and Eve.

How could you possibly think the burden of proof from that claim falls on evolutionists, rather than on those who make the claim?

Zadok001 · #6 11th April 2003, 04:37 PM

Oh, and guys? 1000 BCE is 3000 years ago, which isn't far from John's estimate.

paulewog · #7 11th April 2003, 04:51 PM

/me wonders what "B.C.E." is

The Barbarian · #8 11th April 2003, 05:21 PM

Incidentally, the Hittites spoke (and wrote; we can read their writing) in an Indo-European language. It is highly unlikely that they would have been mongoloid in appearance. They are members of the same linguistic group as modern Europeans, and Northern Asians are generally of the Sino-Tibetan group.

Osthuvud · #9 11th April 2003, 05:21 PM

Hi Arikay:

You asked:

Please, tell me the claims that evolutionists are not backing up.

I am not trying to side track this thread, but could you please briefly outline how the evolutionary process has taken place, and what evidence there is for this.

This isn't tongue in cheek.  I really am interested.

Thanks

Arikay · #10 11th April 2003, 06:18 PM

Maybe start a new thread, as im sure many people wouldnt mind posting evidence.

Some quick bit overview of some of the evidence,

The fossil record (which has less gaps than many creationists think).
Genetic information
Observed Speciation

Just a few.

But I would say to start a new thread about it.

Today at 01:21 PM Osthuvud said this in Post #9

Hi Arikay:

You asked:

I am not trying to side track this thread, but could you please briefly outline how the evolutionary process has taken place, and what evidence there is for this.

This isn't tongue in cheek.  I really am interested.

Thanks