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Is allah the "proper noun" name of God?

Moved this discussion to a new thread due to complaints. My apologies to all who felt the thread was hijacked.

Muslims claim allah is the proper noun name of God, i.e God's true name, not a common noun, i.e a generic name like Lord, but the real name of God, just as you are generically called a he, but your real name might be Luke...John... this is a little disconcerting considering to all intense and purposes, arabic did not exist before hebrew; and there is no equivalent of the hebrew name for God as God's proper noun name in the entire quran:

Exodus 3:13-15:
13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
So we are left with a dilemma, why for 5+ millenias christians and jews have known God by a different proper noun name, only for the quran to arrive 600 years after christianity; and claim God's proper noun name is 'allah' and was always 'allah' since the very beginning? Considering the arabic language itself was still being developed years after the death of it's prophet, the claim is a little, for want of a better word, patronizing.

An indepth study into the roots of the name 'allah' reveals quite a lot of hitherto unflattering information. Of the numerous arabic lexicons about, the lexicon by Edward Lane, stands alone as a classic masterpiece, simply for it's meticulous precision done over a 34 year period. On page 82 of Lane's lexicon there is an entry for the root 'ilaha'



Notice under this root Lane says it means:
"he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one, call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course. An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such. It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

On the very next page, p.83 of Lane's lexicon, he describes the origins of the word allah:



Notice that Lane (a christian, despite his decades living with muslims) twice designates the islamic god, with a small g , i.e "only true god" Notice Lane also says that allah is " originally ilaha or ilaaha" It would take some semantic acrobatics of absurd proportions to claim that Lane doesn't mean allah is originally "ilaha or ilaaha" seeing he has given no less than five sources (in brackets) who testify to this. Recall again that the root of this word means "he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one, call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course. An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such. It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

Even if this evidence were to be dismissed as the subjective opinions of a christian, the team from answering-christianity (a muslim site)
admits allah is related to ilah. The team from islamic-awareness (another muslim site)understand that allah is related to ilah, the team from islam-online ( a moderate westernized muslim site)understand allah is related to ilah, the team from answering-islam understand allah is related to ilah, Even a google search categorically states allah and ilah have the same root in Lane's lexicon.

The evidence that allah and ilah have the same source is damning. This does not mean any arab christian who calls God allah is worshipping a false God, as God knows the heart, but the origins of the word allah, are rooted in idol worship, as implied by the best arabic lexicon available.

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Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
I could well understand Christianity, but just
curious why do you say Islam 'makes no sense'?
Originally Posted by Liberate
Islam makes no sense for the very simple reason, it overrides
commonsense, and it's concept of doing good has already been incorporated in
every other major religion.

Then why the need for islam?

Even the concept of islam's god is acknowledged by the best arabic lexicon from
Edward Lane, a classic masterpiece as having pagan roots. You have already
admitted ilaha refers to "a pagan diety, a new moon,
the great serpent, a god to whoever takes it as such" Even
the team from answering-christianity (a muslim site)
admits allah is related
to ilah
. The team from islamic-awareness (another muslim site)
understan
d that allah is related to ilah
,
the team
from islam-online understand allah is related to ilah
,
the team from
answering-islam understand allah is related to ilah
, even a
google search states that allah and ilah have
the same root in Lane's lexicon
It does not get any more damning that
this.

Ofcourse westernized moderate mulsims would like to tell you islam even says if
you do good works you are going to paradise, regardless of your religious
persuasion.

Then why the need for islam? Why bother spread the faith?

Why bother converting to islam, if you are still going to be judged on your
good works?

Are those particular ayats abrogated?

Unless ofcourse this is a bare faced lie:
Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
Once again, Edward Lane did not make a claim that Allah is derived from al-ilah. You may repeat the same argument again and again.
Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
ilah can mean god, in general, but never did I make a claim that that ilaha is a moon god, serpent, etc. That is a lie.
Originally Posted by Liberate
Let me remind you of what you said:
Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
Remember, our interest is not that 'ilaha' cannot mean idols
Originally Posted by Liberate
Would you like to recant what you just said?
Or do you want to argue that the worshipping of a serpent, or a moon is not idolatry? or do you want to argue on the semantic definition of an idol?
Originally Posted by Liberate
Neither did I claim Lane said this. Any objective individual reading that thread can clearly see you are obfuscating to avoid the truth. I in no way shape or form stated that Edward Lane said allah is derived from al-ilah
Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
Great! I have no objection to that.
Originally Posted by Liberate
What Lane says on page 83 of his arabic lexicon under allah is "originally ilaha or ilaaha". al-ilah and ilah are not the same thing,
Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
Since you have already pasted page 83 of Lane's (see the second attachment given by Liberate), you might want to read what lane wrote on 'Allah':

1. The word 'Allah' - the 'al' being inseperable from it,

2. The word 'Allah' - not derived or it is originally 'ilaha' or 'ilaaha'. (See the second attachment from Liberate)
(Notice how Liberate twist the words to say 'originally ilaha or ilaaha').
Please explain what it means by " originally ilaha or ilaaha"? This is a simple request, a question you have not answered in any thread, what is that phrase doing there, what does it mean?

Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
3. In fact, Lane went further to explain right after para (2) above how and why the word 'Allah' is also not a contraction of 'al-ilaha'.
Again you are obfuscating to save face, I reiterate Lane saying allah being a contraction of al-ilaha was never my argument, (and I suggest you take it up with your islamic sister UmmuIsa who I notice is the one making that argument that allah is a contraction of al-ilah)

Originally Posted by Islam_mullia
4. The readers can read Lane again and see the lies in Liberate's writings. I have also asked Liberate to get scholars to interprete Lane's but we only see is his unscholarly and confused interpretations.
If you do not want to take the word of the team from answering-christianity (a muslim site) who admit allah is related to ilah. The team from islamic-awareness (another muslim site) who understand that allah is related to ilah, the team from islam-online ( a moderate westernized muslim site) who also understand allah is related to ilah, the team from answering-islam who understand allah is related to ilah. Even a google search categorically states allah and ilah have the same root in Lane's lexicon.

There really is no point moving the goalposts to save face. So Islam_mullia if you are going to give a meaningful response, I only ask that you explain what Lane means when under allah he says " originally ilaha or ilaaha" Please no red herrings, no misrepresentations and lies that I said Lane claims allah is derived from al-ilaha/al-ilah, just answer this one question.




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Originally Posted by Liberate
Even the concept of islam's god is acknowledged by the best arabic lexicon from Edward Lane, a classic masterpiece as having pagan roots. You have already admitted ilaha refers to "a pagan diety, a new moon, the great serpent, a god to whoever takes it as such"
Originally Posted by UmmIsa
I do not have Lane's lexicon (although I really want it, its just soo expensive!) so I don't know if it translates 'ilaah' (ilaaha) as a pagan diety, new moon or a god to whomever takes it as such. Yet I can't believe that it does and if it in fact does that is a very grave error.
Originally Posted by UmmIsa
Ilaah means a god; Allaah mentions in the Qur`aan that there are other gods that people make for themselves (i.e. people, wealth, celestrial bodies, etc). "We wronged them not, but they wronged themselves. So their aaliha (gods), other than Allaah, whom they invoked, profited them naught when there came the Command of your Lord, nor did they add aught (to their lot) but destruction." [11:101] That is why He Says that there in none worthy of worship except Him; New moon is translated as hilaal; Someone who is worshipped and agrees to this is a taaghoot. None of these words (ilaah, hilaal, taaghoot) even share the same root word so I do not see how they can at all be connected.
This is standard islamic apologetics to dismiss a claim without ever looking at it.

Originally Posted by UmmIsa
Yes, Allaah is an Ilaah, He is THE Ilaah, hence Allaah (al-Ilaah).
I suggest you have this argument with Islam_mullia, allah being contracted from al-ilah was never the argument I said Lane implied. You only prove whichever way you look at it the root ilah damns the god of islam. (I am well aware that the majority of modern muslims say allah is contracted from al-ilah, this is not what I am saying Lane says, but I am asking what the root of allah is)

Originally Posted by Liberate
Ofcourse westernized moderate mulsims would like to tell you islam even says if you do good works you are going to paradise, regardless of your religious persuasion.
Originally Posted by UmmIsa
Yes, there are Muslims who say this and I don't know if its because this is their understanding of Allaah's verses (which we are not to interpret using our own understanding) or because they don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings. But only those who 'believe' (meaning Islaam) AND do good deeds will be granted Paradise.
At least you are honest in that respect, since you state muslims are not to interpret the quran with their own understanding, would you care to state which madzhab you follow? (No relevance at all to the discussion, just out of curiousity, it's a little like getting blood from a stone to get muslims here to state the madzhab they follow, as much of what they say contradicts what you have just said about interpreting the quran with their own understanding, as they more than often do just that, without the authority to do so).


Originally Posted by UmmIsa
Why convert to Islaam? Because it is the only religion that will be accepted on the Last Day. And as far as being judged upon good deeds alone, no one will make it to Paradise solely based on their deeds. The Messenger said that no one enters Paradise except by Allaah's Mercy (may Allaah grant His unlimited Mercy to all of the believers in this life & the next, aameen). And why is that?? Because none of us are sinless and if you commit even one sin you have disobeyed Allaah and He is liable and Just in doing so, to punish you
It is interesting you understand the concept that God is holy, and good deeds, mean nothing, christianity has a similar concept, but where we differ is instead of Mohammed not knowing where he is going, the instigator of our faith knows precisely where He is going, and even islam states Jesus is coming back to judge.

Originally Posted by UmmIsa
. So there is not one of us who would make it to Paradise on our deeds alone.


Originally Posted by UmmIsa
This is why Allaah, again being Merciful,
I have not seen any explicit evidence of allah's mercy except to excuse Mohammed for his various infidelities; i.e when caught in bed with Mariam Hafsa's slave maid in sura 66, which Aisha and Hafsa came up against him for, and he needed the help of allah to sanction his infidelity by having allah say "why forbid what has been made lawful for you" (i.e to continue sleeping with Mariam, after promising Hafsa he wouldn't do it again, when she caught him in the act). Where is the mercy for homosexuals? for pagans? for first time theives? who have their limbs decapitated, where is the mercy for women imprisoned when unable to provide four witnesses to have seen the act of penetration before convicting anyone of raping them? But are instead imprisoned for indirectly admitting to zina (intercourse outside of marriage). Where is the mercy for apostates who are given three days to revert or face death?

Originally Posted by UmmIsa
mulitiples the reward of the good deed but counts the bad deed as only one bad deed.


So you believe your good deeds will outweigh your bad deeds? Which part of your madzhabs says this? Suppose your bad deeds are really bad, suppose you are a murderer? or a thief how is that ranked on the eternal scales of judgement?


Originally Posted by UmmIsa
Allaah is truly without a doubt the Greatest...
Islam also says allah is "the lord of devils" How do you understand this phrase?
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I see you insist in pasting refuted material about islam and One and only G-d Allah Allmighty.

I will give you clear proofs.

This is an christian arab site .

Most Recent Archological Discoveries:

Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archeologist, found more than twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic :"Bismi Allah al-Rahman al-Raheem" which shows that even people before Islam used this Holy name, "Allah", for GOD Almighty, which proves that the name of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran, "Allah", is the correct one. This also proves to us that the Bible is not all found. There are still missing pieces in it that disprove trinity.

Further discoveries from an Arabic Roman Catholic web site at http://www.al-bushra.org/arbhrtg/arbxtn04.htm:

Recently also, Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archeologist, found from the Forth Century (200 years before Islam) houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic :"Bismi Allah al-Rahman al-Raheem" which means in Arabic "In the name of ALLAH, the Most Merciful and the Most Gracious", which again proves that His Holy name existed before Islam and it also proves the True Oneness of Allah Almighty and refutes Trinity.

Here is an analysis to the Arabic words above:

Bismi - Ism = name. Bism = In name, because "Bi" = in. Bismi = In the name of, because the "i" at the end of the word must be added because of the "Bi" addition. When we added "Bi" to the word "Ism", then the "i" must also be added to the end of "Bism" if and only if the word "Bism" is followed by another word, which makes it become all one word "Bismi" which means "In the name of".

Allah - Allah is the name of Allah Almighty. Bismi Allah sounds as "bismillah", but two seperate words. "Bismi" is one seperate word and "Allah" is another seperate word.

Al-Rahman - Al = the. Rahman = merciful. Rahman is derived from Rahmah, which means mercy. Al-Rahman is one word. It is not like English two words "the merciful". No, in Arabic, "the" is combined with the word both are written as one word; "Al-Rahman".

Al-Raheem - Al = the. Raheem = gracious. Al-Raheem = the gracious. Again, Al-Raheem is written as one Arabic word, and not two.

"Bismi Allah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem" = "In the name of Allah the Most Merciful and the Most Gracious".
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Allah in arabic bible

Just a few examples for those who are still in doubt . . .
The images below, with the exception of the first image, were taken directly from The Holy Bible in Arabic. Referred to in Arabic as al-Kitb al-Muqadis (i.e. ,The Holy Book), this is the scripture which is used by Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20 million in the Middle East). So that those unfamiliar with Arabic script have something to compare these images with, the first image below is a verse from the Qur'n - which is the Muslim scripture. In the images, the Arabic word Allah is underlined in red so that it can be easily identified. Upon comparing the images, one should be able to clearly see that the word Allah appears in both the Qur'nic and Arabic Bible images. Indeed, the word Allah appears throughout Arabic translations of the Bible, since it is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. Insha'llah, the examples below will help quell the doubts of those who have been duped into believing that Muslims worship a different god - either by the hostile media or by Christian missionary propaganda. We hope that this serves as enough documentation for those who still have doubts about this. We could think of no other way to prove this point, except to encourage everyone to do further critical and open-minded research on their own. Please, don't forget to compare the images . . .



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[Qu'ran 1:1 - English translation]

"In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

[Qur'n 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Bismi-Allahi ar-Rahmani, ar-Raheem"

[Qur'n 1:1 - Arabic]

[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]

"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible]





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[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]

"For God so loved the world, that . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic Bible]





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[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]

" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible]





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[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]

"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]

"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible]

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Why has the pronounciation of the Name of One and only G-d disturbed some people ?
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Further evidence and explanation

http://members.nbci.com/lordexarkun/...lahOrigin.html
Introduction
We recently came to know of the ridiculous allegation made by the self-proclaimed Christian Critic of Islam Mr. Quennel Gale that from historical sources, it can be ascertained that the word "Allh" for God in Arabic originates from pagan sources and have never been used in a monotheistic context. This paper will serve to refute the claim from etymological and historical sources and prove that that the Arabic word for God, "ALLAH" as well as the Hebrew "ELOHIM" and Aramaic "ALAAHA" comes from the common Semitic word "EL" (Ancient Canaanite
.....

So Who Is "ALLAH"?
The Critic many times reiterated that

...before Muhammad, Allah was never worshiped as a single monotheistic god, so we clearly see that Allah has always been pagan, his monotheistic characteristics were the invention of Muhammad.

In answer to this allegation, let us turn to what the Sierra's Reference Encyclopedia says about the word Allh and its origins:

ALLAH, the name of the Supreme Being in the Islamic religion. The word is a contraction of the Arabic al-ilah ("the God"); the idea and the word are rooted in primitive Arabian tradition in which traces of a simple monotheism are evident.

The article on the word Allah at Infoplease.com says:

Allh; Pronunciation: [alu, lu] [Arab.,= the God]. Derived from an old semitic root refering to the Divine and used in the Canaanite El, the Mesopotamian ilu, and the Biblical Elohim...

Note: In Assyrian, Ilu is God, while Ilatu means "goddess".

Encyclopedia Britannica (1992) says:

Etymologically, the name Allh is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, "the God". The name's origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter being an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh.

In Caesar Farah's book, it says:

Allh, the paramount deity of pagan Arabia, was the target of worship in varying degrees of intensity from the southernmost tip of Arabia to the Mediterranean. To the Babylonians he was "Il" (god); to the Canaanites, and later the Israelites, he was "El'; the South Arabians worshipped him as "Ilah," and the Bedouins as "al-Ilah" (the deity). With Muhammad he becomes Allh, God of the Worlds, of all believers, the one and only who admits no associates or consorts in the worship of Him. Judaic and Christian concepts of God abetted the transformation of Allh from a pagan deity to the God of all monotheists. There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that "Allah" passed to the Muslims from Christians and Jews.

This passage clearly says that the God who was called Ilah in Southern Arabia was called El by the Israelites. This fact would certainly ruin the Critic's entire 'ILAH is from LIL root of Mesopotamian deities' theory. Why should the Critic, after all, let his readers know that according to two of the Gospels, Jesus was on the cross calling out to El who, if the Critic is right, is the ENLIL of Islam?

The Arabic name Allah consists of the definite article "Al" [the] attached to the noun "Ilahun" [god -- allowing for the classical nunation]. When "Al" is attached, the I (aliph) of "Ilahun" become quiescent, the L of "Al" assimilates in pronunciation with the L of "Ilahun," and the word loses its nunation. Also Modern Arabic drops the final vowel [the case ending] in pronunciation. The resultant pronunciation is "Allah." However, the spelling in the Qur'an is Al[i]lah(u/i/a), where [i] is the quiescent but written aliph, and the last vowel is the case ending [u for nominative, i for genitive, a for accusative]. The Arabic word "Ilahun" is the equivalent of Aramaic "Elah" [no case endings in Aramaic] and of Hebrew "Eloah" [no case endings]. It is then obvious that the word "Ilah" comes from a common Semitic root, EL or ILU/IL for the word (g)od, as do the words "Eloah" in Hebrew and "Elah" in Aramaic.

Professor Carleton S. Coon in his book, Southern Arabia, states:

The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the moon god, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc...

So what do you know? According to Professor Coon's statement here, the same name which in Southern Arabia that was originally a phase of the moon god and later became a general term for god (Ilah) was also used in Hebrew names like Emanu-el, which the Critic considers a name for Jesus (pbuh)! Should we now make the claim that the name Emanu-el has actually a pagan heritage?

The following table depicts the common Semitic root word for (g)od, which is El or Ilu and was commonly used in reference to different deities besides the Only True God:







And the next table shows the common Semitic words used in reference to The One True (G)od.


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Jesus pbuh prayed to Allah in aramaic


Jesus pbuh prayed to Allah in aramaic


Several points to learn:

1. "elahh" is the way the word "hhla" (spelled from right to left as it is Aramaic) is pronounced.

2. The words "Elahh", "hhla (read from right to left)" and "Allah" all have the "h" letter and pronunciation in them.

3- "Allah" in Arabic is pronounced as "Al-lawh" or "Al-lah" depending on the sentence that it is used in. In Arabic, the sound of the word "Allah" could be thicker (Allawh) or thinner (Allah) depending on the sentence.

4- The Aramaic word "hhla (read from right to left)", which is transliterated as "elahh" which means "GOD" is pronounced as "El-aw" as show above.

5- The Aramaic word "hla (read from right to left)", which is transliterated as "elah" which means "oak" is pronounced as "Ay-law" also as shown above.

6- "Allah" in Arabic is pronounced as "Al-lawh" or "Al-lah" depending on the sentence that it is used in. In Arabic, the sound of the word "Allah" could be thicker (Allawh) or thinner (Allah) depending on the sentence.

7- The Hebew word "Elohim" is the plural of "Elowah", which is derived from the Aramaic word "Alaha", or "Elahh"; the same as the Arabic word "Allah" or "Allawh" in pronunciation.

If we pronounce the words "Allah" in Arabic and "Elahh (pronounced as 'El-aw')" in Aramaic, then we would hear almost the same exact word.

Some Christians tried to prove that the word "Allah" in Aramaic means "oak". This type of deception is quite common among many of the Christians who hate Islam. In the Aramaic words above "hhla (GOD)" and "hla (oak)", we see an obvious difference between the two words, not only in spelling, but also in pronunciation as well.

The point is however is that we see no "y" sound for the words that mean "GOD" in both Arabic and Aramaic. The "y" sound is only used for the word "oak" as shown above. The slang of the words "Elahh" and "Allah" in Aramaic and Arabic respectively sound almost exactly.

So to say that "Allah" in Arabic means "oak" in Aramaic is a big hoax.
The following translation is found at bible.crosswalk.com:
Thee KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 0426
Original Word: hhla
Word Origin: corresponding to (0433)
Transliterated Word: 'elahh (Aramaic)'
Phonetic Spelling: 'el-aw'
Parts of Speech: Noun Masculine
Definitions:
- god, God
- god, heathen deity
- God (of Israel)
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This excellent article shows from Hebrew sources that Genesis 1:1 used "Allah".

Do Muslims Worship The Moon God? Refutation To The Myth By Etymological Evidence

Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi


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Christians who try to claim that Allh () is the name of the "moon god", are influenced by the writings of Dr. Robert Morey, who wrote as such in his book The Islamic Invasion. Regardless, they (and Dr. Morey included) are playing a silly game. The writings of Dr. Morey are nothing more than the thoughts of a mid-Western creationist closet-fascist, and were not originally intended for a wide audience. Regardless, his "evidence" of a so-called moon deity named "Allh" actually hurts his religion as much as it does Islam. The basic claim is that the pre-Islamic Semitic world (not just Arabia) was the home to widespread worship of a moon god or goddess named "Allh". The problem with speculations about pre-Islamic deities from the Semitic world in this case is the fact that any inscription prior to the advent of Islam is also prior to the introduction of diacritical marks in the Semitic languages. Why is this a problem? Well, if one claims to have found evidence of a moon god named "Allh" in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon, this claim applies to the respective deities of both Christianity and Islam. The first time the word "God" appears in the Bible, it is in


Genesis 1:1, when it states:


B'reshit bara ELOHIM et ha-shama'im, V'et ha-arets.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.



While Christians will forever speculate on the word "Elohim" (), honest Hebrew speakers would admit that this archaic word for God has a history that is lost to us. The "royal plurality" hypothesis may be a possible explanation for why the word is plural, but this seems to have been unknown to early Hebrew speakers (such as the Jewish missionary who, according to the Kuzari, competed with Muslims and Christians to convert the king of the Khazars in the eighth century). It is difficult however to translate this word to "gods," as the Hebrew text conjugates the verb "to create" in the singular. Regardless, (Elohim) is a plural forum of a more basic root-word for God, (eloh)

However, if one were to find the word (eloh) (alef-lamed-heh) in an inscription written in paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader. This letter combination (which can be proncounced alah) is the root for the verb "to swear" or "to take an oath," as well as the verb "to deify" or "to worship", as can be seen as follows:

[1]

The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, which means God, deity, power, strength, et cetera.

So one of the basic Hebrew words for God, (eloh), can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God[2] is (alah). This word, in the standard script (), or the Estrangela script (), is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, eel.[3]

The Arabic word for God, Allh () , is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, (ilah). We are quickly starting to notice the obvious linguistic and etymological connections between the respective words for God in these closely related Semitic languages (e.g. Allh, Alah, and Eloh being related to Ilah, Eel, and El, respectively). So, in conclusion, if monolingual tri-theists want to claim that Allh/Alah was the name of a tribal moon god, and that worship of such a deity is a gross pagan practice, they should throw their Bibles in the dustbin for including this deity in its text. They should also repudiate Jesus for calling on an version of this deity while on the cross (as per the Biblical account).
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Allah in the book of Ezra

The word "Allah" as the name of GOD in the Book of Ezra in the Aramaic Bible:


Christians themselves not aware that 'Allah' is actually the God of every prophet, the proof is Old Testament itself. In Aramaic God is 'Elah', in Hebrew is 'Eloah' whereas in Arabic is 'Allah', these 3 are actually related to each other. The different in pronounciation is only on slang.











This passage is taken from Vine's Complete Exposition Dictionary by W.E. Vine, Merrill F.Unger, William White, Jr., Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, TN, 1996.

This book also has mentioned that Ezra and prophet Daniel were called their God as "Elah". The passage above is more than enough to encounter back the allegation made by some Christians about Allah=Enlil.
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Allah in the jewish Bible
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